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harveyc · 05-17-2011, 12:20 PM

I've got the space but not the time or desire to conduct a formal trial. Although what I'm growing which Gabe informally identified last year as Dwarf Orinoco (was bought on eBay as Raja Puri five years ago) started out larger than my California Gold, my California Gold did bloom earlier last year. I've got two Dwarf Orinoco from the same mat as last year which are larger than either of my California Gold plants so I'm interested in which one fruits earlier. My earliest plant to push a leaf this year was what is supposed to be Texas Star, then California Gold, then Dwarf Orinoco, but that is also the size of the plants from smallest to largest so it might just be a matter of the extra distance from the corm in pushing up growth. Bananas are strictly a hobby for me so it's hard to get too worked up about claims of them being the same or not. I'd be happy if the weather would just warm up and they'd all flower!

sunfish · 05-17-2011, 01:18 PM

Let's not forget the California Cold Hardy.

Musa California Cold Hardy

harveyc · 05-17-2011, 02:06 PM

My CCH is planted too close to some redwood trees and is shaded too much to do well. One of those things I've been meaning to do something about.

sunfish · 05-17-2011, 02:10 PM

I have a feeling were going to find all these plants to be some form of Orinoco.Texas Star,C.G.,Carolina King and CCH.

harveyc · 05-17-2011, 02:17 PM

I don't think CCH is similar to the others other than being a musa.

Here is a photo of a CCH I took at Shawn's:

harveyc · 05-17-2011, 02:18 PM

What the heck is Carolina King?

sunfish · 05-17-2011, 02:21 PM

Carolina King banana

sunfish · 05-17-2011, 02:27 PM

Musa Carolina King - Bananas Wiki

harveyc · 05-17-2011, 02:33 PM

Wow, forgot all about that old discussion. I see Greg is growing it and I wonder what he thinks of it. Coming from Ty Ty made me lose any interest, I guess.

sunfish · 05-17-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

I don't think CCH is similar to the others other than being a musa.

Here is a photo of a CCH I took at Shawn's:

I was definitely wrong on that one

harveyc · 05-17-2011, 03:56 PM

Back in 2006 there was once a rather heated discussion about California Gold. I believe jeffreyp was the first person in this group to assert that California Gold was an Orinoco in his post at Last California Gold of the year!!!.

Jeff Earl joined the forum (I think I alerted him to the heated discussion, just as a FYI) and posted at Last California Gold of the year!!! and made the following comment:

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At least you must have went back and reread my ebay auction. You'll see that I offer my opinion as to it being related to the orinoco, blugoe, Ice Cream family.

Later on jeffreyp at Last California Gold of the year!!! he said he believes it's a "type of Orinoco" and says if it's a hardier sport it wouldn't really be beneficial outside of marginal growing areas.

There are quite a few comments from others in that 2006 thread from Mike V. and Joe real who shared their growing experiences and felt California Gold was different than the typical Dwarf Orinoco. As Gabe wrote above, he believes if there are any differences between California Gold and Dwarf Orinoco it's that California Gold might hardier/faster sport. I don't believe that's more than anybody has claimed, including Jeff Earl. The hobby-growing community has got a bit worked up over it and maybe made a bigger deal than warranted, sometimes paying ridiculous prices. It sort of reminds me of the ridiculous prices folks were paying for homes five years ago.

It's just not worth arguing about, IMHO. If you don't want one, don't buy one. I've only sold one pup and that was for $100 shipped and I only sold that one because Michael in Texas wanted one and offered to pay that.

chong · 05-17-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sunfish

I have a feeling were going to find all these plants to be some form of Orinoco.Texas Star,C.G.,Carolina King and CCH.

Carolina King, according to Anderson Nursery, is possibly a Cavendish variety, not a Bluggoe type. But then, they consider the Lacatan as a Cavendish type also, which I don't think it is. The original purveyor of this plant was Ty Ty Nursery.

sunfish · 05-18-2011, 09:00 AM

Anyone growing Carolina King ?

harveyc · 05-18-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sunfish

Anyone growing Carolina King ?

According to the wiki, Greg in Fresno is growing it.

sunfish · 05-18-2011, 09:38 AM

I didn't know that Cavendish are this cold hardy. Has survived temperatures below 10F.

cherokee_greg · 05-18-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

According to the wiki, Greg in Fresno is growing it.

I need to change it my Carolina King did not make it through the winter.

cherokee_greg · 05-18-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

Wow, forgot all about that old discussion. I see Greg is growing it and I wonder what he thinks of it. Coming from Ty Ty made me lose any interest, I guess.

Mine grew real fast when I planted it last summer. It did not make the winter it was the only big plant that did not make it.

chong · 05-18-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sunfish

I didn't know that Cavendish are this cold hardy. Has survived temperatures below 10F.

According to Ty Ty, CK is cold hardy to Zone 7 (5°F - 10°F) and it is covered by their replacement guarantee within that Zone.

harveyc · 05-18-2011, 11:05 AM

Greg, how cold did it get at your place this winter? We got down to 26F once and several times down to 28F and most bananas did okay, with some actually keeping portions of some leaves. I even left several bunches of bananas on over winter and they are ripening now.

cherokee_greg · 06-07-2011, 08:53 PM

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Greg, how cold did it get at your place this winter? We got down to 26F once and several times down to 28F and most bananas did okay, with some actually keeping portions of some leaves. I even left several bunches of bananas on over winter and they are ripening now.

im not sure I was in the hospital most of the winter.

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harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,130 BananaBucks : 471,874 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,050 Times Was Thanked 4,493 Times in 1,906 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,785 Times	Re: Package From Niblickrus I don't think CCH is similar to the others other than being a musa. Here is a photo of a CCH I took at Shawn's: __________________ Last edited by harveyc : 05-17-2011 at 02:22 PM.

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harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,130 BananaBucks : 471,874 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,050 Times Was Thanked 4,493 Times in 1,906 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,785 Times	Re: Package From Niblickrus Wow, forgot all about that old discussion. I see Greg is growing it and I wonder what he thinks of it. Coming from Ty Ty made me lose any interest, I guess. __________________

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harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,130 BananaBucks : 471,874 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,050 Times Was Thanked 4,493 Times in 1,906 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,785 Times	Re: Package From Niblickrus Greg, how cold did it get at your place this winter? We got down to 26F once and several times down to 28F and most bananas did okay, with some actually keeping portions of some leaves. I even left several bunches of bananas on over winter and they are ripening now. __________________

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