Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Dear Mauro,
Its so good to hear from you! a delight always thanks for sharing. could we have some pictures of those banana grafts? It would be ever so helpful in the learning process. Funny thing i was just thinking not more then two days ago as to what had happened to you. I was thinking that perhaps we had frightened you away with are interrogations regarding your grafting experiments. Keep posting i find your threads highly interesting. Its nice to have the varied cultural aspects of the different people that post here on the ORG. Chill or be chilled! Paulie

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi, Paulie!
Sometimes, I chill people, sometimes I get chilled. After all we are humans. Sometimes, I am over confident. Sometimes, I get scared. When I am sure of myself I open my big mouth. When I get scared I hide in my cave and meditate for weeks, until the dark cloud is gone. By the way, I'm not that good with the computer and I don't know how to up load pictures. I took some pictures of my bananas and the Japanese persimmon and I'd like to post them, but I don't know how. Could you teach me? Please? Mauro.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Mauro, don't get too chilled...it can be harmful to your bananas! ;)

Edit: after making my post originally, I PM'd Jarred and he made his post a "sticky" and edited it to include a video, so my original reply might be confusing. So, instead....

Just go see the sticky thread at http://www.bananas.org/f5/how-post-i...hreads-97.html :D

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Chong, my friend and teacher, thank you for organizing my threads, I'm kinda messy. Here in Japan we have the "5 S".
Seiri: Organize, meaning putting or throwing away the tools you don't use.
Seiton: Arrange, meaning putting in order the tools you use often. So you can find it anytime you need it.
Seiketsu: Clean, meaning keep it always clean and shiny. No oil or dirt.
Seiso: Clean, clean it up by brushing, wiping, etc.
****suke: Discipline, meaning keep all the rules, and your uniform tidy.
The 5 S stated above are the basic rules of any Japanese company or home.
But I, being of Italian blood lack these virtues. I'm always mixed up. Not well organized. Put until tomorrow what you can do today! Why do we have "manana", tomorrow? Let's do it manana! That's why Brazil is only 8 years younger than the U.S., but we are far, far, behind. Let's enjoy life today and work manana! With the Japanese it is different, they are workaholic, they rest only after the're dead. If you give a 3-days-vacation to a Japanese, he gets desperate, he doesn't know what to do with it. Japan is about the size of France. 70% of the land in France is arable. In Japan only 15% of the land is arable. Most of the country is mountainous and rocky, of volcanic nature. But production is very high, especially in my area here in Mie Prefecture. Well, what I really want to do now, is to learn how to post pictures in the forum, I'm waiting for my son to come to my house and teach me, I'm kinda uneducated about computers. I'm a slow learner that's why it took me more than 40 years lo learn about the Japanese culture. Bye, for now, and always thank you for helping me. Gracias.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

There has been a lot of debate about if it is possible to graft bananas. If there is some actual proof for either side, could someone please post it.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I don't know if there's a way to answer your question. Unfortunately, in this case, at what level do you say that one side or the other is right? Academia might tell you that it's impossible, but people like Mauro say that they've seen indigenous people in Brazil may have been doing it for centuries. From my point of view, I believe that, strictly speaking, there both truths and falsehoods from both sides. The problem is proving facts and to what degree. It would be like answering the question of "If a tree in the forest falls down, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" If you answer, "Yes", or "No", would that be enough? How do you go about proving either one? The truth is that it does, because you can prove it by comparing and reasoning. But under the parameter, "and no one is there to hear it", proving it to be a fact, or non-fact, is impossible. (To differentiate: fact is experienced and/or observed; truth implies revelation which is accepted by reasoning or faith.)

So then, whether grafting bananas is possible or not, boils down to whether you can believe it, or experience it. Having said that, I believe that it is possible.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Well, it wouldn't be hard to prove. If you try it and it works, then it's true, if it doesn't work, it is not true. Personally, I have never heard of anyone doing this and I see nothing about on the internet.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

well how are the diffrent types produced if not from grafting?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

That's exactly what I mean. Just because you have not personally observed or experienced it, means that it's not a fact. At least to you. The fact is that there are several, maybe up to a dozen, videos on the subject on Youtube, and you have not seen them, makes it untrue for you, as well. (According to my distinction between fact and truth.) Some of us who have seen the video, and the witness by Mauro, one of our members in this forum, leads us to believe that this is true. Again, that doesn't mean that it is fact until we ourselves personally observe it.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

If there is one thing that I have learned in my pursuit of science it is that there are no absolute facts. Predictable outcomes are sometimes skewed by the slightest variables and "experimental error".
It seems that we always want to be correct or right about something, yet variations and aberrations occur. What one believes or does not believe is immaterial to all possible outcomes. Just when you feel that you have a grasp on mother nature, she throws us a curveball. The only certainty in science is that nothing is 100% certain.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hello, everyone ! This the notorious Mauro Gibo again hitting the same key ! Bananas trees can be grafted ! Here is a link for you interested in the subject: CARE - Virtual Field Trip - Bolivia - Journal Entries - Day 4
please search for it in the google.
A also visited the birth place of Matsuo Basho, the father of the Japanese Banana, Musa Basjoo, here in Japan. Please check my videos Matsuo Basho's Birth Place from I~IV:
mauro-gibo videos on Dailymotion
I am very sorry for the big confusion I have made. But I will always follow my own heart even if I am at the final courtain. Thank you for your precious time.
Yours Sincerely,
Mauro Gibo.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Now, isn't that the truth?!!!

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

It's so odd that this thread was linked back to today. I found an article early this morning and wanted to look this thread up to post my reply, but got too busy.
In an article concerning plant parasites: "Plants often use small RNA molecules as messengers between different parts of [the plant]. Findings have shown that RNA can travel from a graft into the rest of the plant, affecting leaf shape, and helping the parasite synchronize it's life cycle with that of the host plant.
Is this relevant? Could this be what's going on in these grafts?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

:waving: First of all, Lagniappe, thank you for your comment on the subject.
This is no politics, this is philosophy. There are three things I choose and cherish:
To care! If i care I have no fear.
To be fair! If am fair, I will not be selfish.
To be humble! If I'm humble I know I will grow.
My experiment is very simple. Most people think I am stupid in trying to prove something impossible. But is it really impossible? How sure can we be?
There are so many things in nature that we don't know yet. Most young people think they have a lot of knowlege about the skill of grafting, which I agree. But they have forgotten one thing. Wisdom and knowlege are two different things. I've been working with plants for many decades. I know every plant has a different behavior. for example you can't graft a Japanese Cherry tree. The stock will not send water to the scion. The scion without water will dry out and die. So you have to propagate such trees in a different way.
I have grafted many banana cultivars and I am waiting for the results. I know it will take time. One thing I can tell you I have nothing to lose. I already have one foot in the tomb. The vultures are flying over my head but I intend to disappoint them. I have only one aim and that is to prove that banana pups can be grafted successfuly. Anyway, thank your for your precious information.
Best Regards,
Mauro Gibo.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

These are my grafted banana plants:
YouTube - Mauro's Banana Farm
I love my banana plants and hope you all will love them too.
Bye.
Mauro.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

this RNA aspect explains the mechanisms thank you for sharing your findings it makes perfect sense to me

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

First, this assumes that the plants can be successfully and viably grafted together, since we are talking about bananas, I still have not seen any convincing evidence that any banana grafting has actually taken place. Attempting to graft is much different from actually producing a graft.

Second, one must be very careful about applying information from one study to something completely different, this goes for anything (but especially so with these intricate and poorly understood biological systems in this case). To me, reading that pathogenic messenger RNA can travel from graft to scion of a unknown plant species and have some kind of an affect means nothing in regards to grafting bananas together to create somatic hybrids. They are in different realms and there is nothing to correlate them. Even if grafting bananas can be done physiologically, there still is no evidence that one portion could affect another in bananas, mainly since I don't think anyone has ever actually grafted bananas successfully to even begin the tests.

For me and most people I have talked to about this subject, there is a critical lack of evidence. I don't mean to offend anyone here (and Mauro, I know you are reading this, please don't think I'm trying to tear you down, I'm just approaching this curious case the same way as I do anything in my life), I am as curious as anyone about if this works or not in some way. Im not trying to prove banana grafting as possible or impossible, but whichever way it is, there needs to be evidence to back it up. So far, I have an immense amount of evidence that it does not work, and no evidence that it does.

The goal of science is not to prove that something can be done, it is to test if something can be done.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thanks , Gabe.
I'll admit that it's reaching, but got a little excited when I read about this.
I did think the RNA communication was part of the plant, and not the parasite, and thought that it was this mechanism that was affecting the leaf changes from the grafted sections to other parts of the plant.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi, Gabe, Nice to meet you. I knew you would be the last one to speak or give your point of view. You are young and have your whole future ahead of you. You are very careful because wrong words could hurt your career. With me things are different, I'm an old man. I've been to hell and back many times, I also died many times. And the there is one thing I'm not afraid of, that is: I am not afraid to make mistakes, because we learn from our mistakes. Maybe, the first mistake I did was to call the union of two different kind of bananas, grafting. Grafting is really something different. At the time I didn't find a proper word to name my unusual experiment. Even today, I still don't have a matching word for it. But for me it doen't really matter. I firmly believe that it is my challenging spirit that really matters. When I went to college I thought my teachers where great and that they were genius. Now, I know that they were just living encyclopedias passing on informations they had acquired in the past. Another thing I found out is that I am more powerful than a computer. Why?
Because I can think and the computer can't. I work as a translator for a large Japanese Corporation which has many factories around the world and translantion is a must. I wrote a sentence in Japanese to be translated into English. the sentence was: When you notice anything wrong with the product tell your superior immeditely. The computer translated: When the handicapped erupts, tell your superior at once. See what I mean? Now, let's go back to my experiment. I know that about 80 countries of temperate climates near the equator produce bananas. If by any chance I get a cold hardy banana variety, I'm sure going to change the banana belt.
I appreciate your comment. One more sore for a lepper won't make any difference. I will keep going one, because I know I am in the right track.
Thanks.
P.S. Don't pay attention to this old mule.
Bye.
Mauro Gibo

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Mauro, you don't look that much older than me in your videos. I thought Chong was the old man around here! :ha:

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thanks, Harveyc, but I raised 7 children and have 18 grand-children. My youngest is already over 30. I feel like I am a living fossil.
Best Regards,
Wish you the Best.
Mauro.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Mauro-san,
Trying to prove to yourself something that you have learned from what other cultures have done should be gratifying. Sharing them with others is an act of kindness. So, do not worry about semantics or technicalities. With your experiments, the only mistake you will make is if you don't try. Already it appears that you have succeeded in combining halves of two different varieties of banana and have grown them to the point that they are one plant and are producing pups. In a few months time, you will find out if the fruit they will produce will be like the one or the other variety, or as luck would have it, celebrate the fact that it is a combination of the two!!! I applaud your determination, and look forward to your announcement that the fruit is a hybrid and would be honored to be one of the first to congratulate you on your success! So, please keep us posted.

You know that I would be reading this, and I humbly thank you for the compliment.

So, Mauro-san, if you are also reading this, you should listen to the wise old man.

Chong

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Mr. Chong, it's a pleasure to hear from you. I'm trying to be tough and stay away from you guys, but I can't. We share the same ideals, we love and care for tropical plants. To grow bananas in this cold country is my passion. The Japanese love Bonsai, to tell you the truth I don't care much about Bonsai, because I know a lot of people who have bonsais centuries old. I could never compete with them. But with banana plants is another thing. The Japanese do not have experimented with banana plants yet. So here I am, doing my thing in my own way, like I did in the 60's and 70's. The wrinkles in my face are my annual rings. Mr. Chong I know you are wise and I respect you. It's part of our culture here in Japan to respect the older people because we know they are wise. Your words make me feel good. It won't be long now. My bananas are growing well just like I expected.
Pretty soon I will have enough proof of my success. Thank you very much for standing by me. I promise I will not disappoint you. The Japanese taught me to be persistent. I always mean what I say. I will be in touch.
Once again thank you very much.
Much Obliged. Muito Obrigado.
Mauro Gibo

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Its good to hear from you Mauro! how is Japan thees days? Keep you feet warm and drink tea. I'm still vary excited about your experiment hopping it is the way but only time will tell as you say. do you celebrate Christmas if so have a good one
Paulo

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi Paulo! It's really nice to hear from you. I sure drink a lot of tea. Especially after I got diabetes, my mouth is always dry. My eye sight is not very good either, but that doesn't stop me from grafting banana pups.
The bananas I've grafted are already very tall and they have many baby pups. There is one big problem, though. The winter has come. Everyday it gets colder and colder. The leaves of my bananas are turning yellow. This coming year is very important to me. It's the year which will decide my fate.
Loser or Winner! If my crossbred bananas survive the winter and bloom in the spring I will be a champion. If they die I will be just a big joker and people will laugh at me. Let's sit and wait: Que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be.
YouTube - JOSE FELICIANO - "QUE SERA" ( Spanish Version )
Thank you for writing to me. I wish you a Merry Christmas! And God Bless you!
Bye, Mauro Gibo

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Mauro, maybe you should grow prickly pear instead (also). More hardy to the cold and some studies show they help folks with diabetes.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

can some please explain in more detail how the grafting is done or performed?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

First you have to make a choice: Anthony Whyte or Mauro Gibo? Which side are you on?
Grafting bananas - 22 March 2003 - New Scientist

"If successful, the two cut surfaces must be held permanently together by tying or taping, which in all likelihood would further increase the chance of disease."

For me a guy who says "If" lacks confidence.

So, I grafted my bananas.
YouTube - Grafting mature banana specimens
P.S. If you have a good laugh I won't mind.
Best Regards,
Mauro Gibo

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

well I'm not 100% on what belive I just saw but it looked very interesting. I would like to hear or read more on it. I hope what is being done in the video is really a art( i mean no disrespect) and will look for future post. And thanks for the info.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Just to clarify, please note that the term "grafting" as used in this thread is not the same as conventional grafting, where you might have a rootstock to which one or several different varieties of scions are grafted onto in order to have different varieties of trees or plant. In this case, both scion and rootstock of two different varieties are halved and two different halves are fused together to form a "graft" and form a single pseudostem.

The following videos posted by Mauro shows how they do it in Japan. The videos used to be linked in this thread, but somehow I can't find them. I got these from my saved files.

YouTube - Grafting mature banana specimens

YouTube - The Growth of My Grafted Banana Seedlings

YouTube - Grafting Mature Banana Seedlings

YouTube - Grafting Banana Trees

YouTube - Grafting Bananas Stage 2

YouTube - Corm-grafted bananas

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I don't believe in it. At least, not in the fact that you can create a new
cultivar that way. Maybe it can change the plants characteristics but that
will only apply to the "grafted" plant.
It's well known that plants influence each other, even without being grafted. For example, cuttings of Buxus grow much better when they are
planted next to each other then in separate pots. Why? No one knows.
They just grow better.
If grafting would create new cultivars we had thousands of new cultivars
from many species of plants, even potatoes.
So, changing the growth characteristics is quite something else then creating a new cultivar.

My 2 cents.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thank you for your comment frog 7994. I went to my orchar and made a video of my grown bananas. Let's see if they can survive the harsh winter.
YouTube - Grafted Mature Crossbred Bananas_0001.wmv
This video is new.
Best Regards,
Mauro Gibo.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hello Mauro - I don't recall you saying how cold you get there. Have you had much frost yet? How low do your temperatures reach in the winter?

Best wishes,

Harvey

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I'm curious to know if you have dug up any of your "grafts" to see what the union looks like after they have grown some.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi, harveyc. The weatherman said we will have frost this coming week. When it snows the temperature reaches about 0 degree centigrade. On February it gets to be pretty cold because we have a wind current that comes from Siberia where it sometimes reaches 72 degrees below zero centigrades. It's a freezing wind. To tell you the truth I am amazed at the Musa Basjoo. It grows wild around here and the cold doesn't hurt it very much. If you see its growth around here you would not call it a tropical plant.
The Japanese brought the Musa Basjoo from China about 400 to 500 years ago, and I think it found a way to hibernate during the winter. It becomes dormant but doesn't die and in the early spring it starts growing again. It grows very tall in the summer. Even in Brazil I haven't seen such a tall banana tree.
It's a little early but I wish you a Merry Christmas.
Bye.
Mauro

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

WOW, -72C!!!

Thanks, Happy Advent and Merry Christmas to you!

Harvey

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I didn't dig any of my grafts yet. I really don't know what happens to the union. But I know the difference between the pups when they come out of the ground. I have some tricks, let's say a knowhow that I have not shared with you all. The scientists that work for large fruit companies in Latin America want to know about it. But I din't tell them. I've been experimenting for about 5 years. I acquired a lot of knowlege about the behavior of the banana plants during these past years. It's like going to college for 5 years, so I am saving the pleasure of harvesting fresh grafted bananas for myself. After I accomplish my goal I will share it with you all.
Thank you for your interest and enthusiasm.
I wish you a Merry Christmas.
Bye. Mauro.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I was thinking perhaps some benefit could be obtained from grafting onto a basjoo corm that would come from the sap. I know that in citrus Trifoliate rootstock affects the potential size of the plant and increases hardiness.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

In the beginning I could tell if it was a musa basjoo pup or a raja puri pup, but as they grew taller they started changing their characteristics. The collor of the trunk started changing, after a while I couldn't tell which one was which. If you watch my new video, you will notice that it is hard to tell what variety it is.
It looks to be a musa basjoo but it isn't. It looks to be a raja puri, but it looks different. So I came to the conclusion that they are half breeds. I think they exchanged some kind of cells during their growth. I am puzzled by my own experiment.
Let's wait and see how much they will influence each other.
Your point of view is quite interesting.
Thank you.
Bye.
Mauro

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

-72 in Siberia not Japan. We get -20 in Hokkaido, North Japan. I'm in the middle land. It's only 0 degree around here.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Oh! If you only get down to 0C, you should have plenty of bananas that can survive. I'm at -1C right now and most of my bananas look "okay". This is my sixth morning of frost in the past three weeks. Winter is early here this year but I've still got a banana bunch hanging on one plant right now.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Harveyc, please tell me what kind of bananas you are growing there. Especially the one with the bunch. Here in mainland Japan, there is no edible banana that bears fruits. By the way this year the frost is late. We didn't have any yet.
Harveyc, please check this site.
How do I winterize banana trees in North Carolina? - UBC Botanical Garden Forums

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"We had a mini-golf course here in town (Springfield, IL) that had banana trees for many years in a row.
What I heard they did was they left the roots in the ground, grafted the trees off at about 6" from the ground in V's and then covered the roots in mulch so they didn't freeze.

The rumour was they kept the shafts indoors in their basement and then reattached them in the spring by 'plugging them back in' and staking, but I never talked to them personally or saw them do it. It was all a very interesting story. But the trees most certainly were there, year after year and quite large.
May be all hearsay and nonsense, but if it helps, so be it."

Grafting bananas is sounding more like a folks tale.
I heard these rumours in Brazil too.
But no one has actually seen them being grafted.
Bye.
Mauro.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hello Mauro,

You can check my profile for my full list of bananas, but that isn't as helpful since many of them have not lived a full winter outdoors yet. The ones I've grown for several years include an unknown variety (search "mystery busy bee banana" and you'll find photos, etc.) which most believe to be the tall form of Namwah. It was sold to me as Dwarf Orinoco in tissue culture form, but it flowered just under 11' tall the past two summers. It has survived outdoors several winters with temperatures dipping down 26F-28F but in January 2007 we got down to 20F and the plant died but sprouted back pups from the corm. I also had Rajapuri and Dwarf Brazilian with similar situations and they flowered for me in 2008 but not in 2009. My Ice Cream died completely in the January 2007 freeze. I also have some unknown bananas called California Gold and another called California Cold Hardy. These fruit for others in my area but I am still waiting. I have let a smudge pot (outdoor heater using various forms of petroleum, I burn used motor oil), but I haven't used it for over a week and this morning we got down to 26F. I did spray my banana with fruit with the water house at about 6:45am to help prevent freezing damage. If it wasn't for the fruit on the plant, I would just leave it alone and let the leaves be killed. I'll do this eventually and expect they to sprout new leaves from the top in the spring (unless it goes down to the low 20s).

My expensive Ae Ae have had more care such as being dug up and spending the winter in the greenhouse. Others will have to survive on their own as I'm not about to be wrapping every plant or diging them all up. I don't think I'd make it as a zone 8 (or lower) banana grower.

Best wishes,

Harvey

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I planted a Mysore next to a saba and the second generation of mysore corm was very tight against the saba corms. I did notice some very large growth of the mysore that grew maybe 40% larger than a typical mysore. Perhaps Moro is onto something. Could there be some possible growth factors in the corm/roots of the saba that were influencing the adjacent mysore corm? I didn't really pay much attention to it until this thread was brought up.

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Title: Identification and selection of superior banana phenotypes in the cultivar Dwarf Cavendish using agronomic characteristics and RAPD markers.
Personal Authors: Gubbuk, H., Pekmezci, M., Onus, A. N., Erkan, M.
Author Affiliation: Department of Horticulture, Faculty of Agriculture, Akdeniz University, Antalya 07059, Turkey.
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Document Title: Pakistan Journal of Botany

Abstract:
Banana off-types resulting from spontaneous mutations in field- and greenhouse-grown banana cv. Dwarf Cavendish in Turkey were identified. Mutations were identified based on the occurrence of altered agronomic parameters and via genetic polymorphisms as detected by random amplified polymorphic DNA (RAPD) analysis. The phenotypic characters evaluated included stem circumference, plant height, number of leaves at the flowering stage, bunch stalk circumference, number of fruit hands and fruits, bunch weight, and fruit circumference and length. Selection studies resulted in the identification of 48 off-types, 17 of which were identified in the field and 31 in the greenhouse. Eight of the selected off-types (2 from the field and 6 from the greenhouse) showed high levels of stability for various agronomic characters over a 3-year period of observation [years not given]. These off-types showed higher levels of variability for morphological characters affecting yield than the control Dwarf Cavendish. Genetic similarities between the types ranged from 0.550 to 0.913, whereas the genetic differences varied from 0.088 to 0.413, as determined by RAPD analysis. The high levels of genetic polymorphism among banana types indicated that the RAPD technique can be useful in evaluating banana intra-varietal genetic variation. Types Alanya 5, Gazipasa 11, Gazipasa 15, Anamur 10, Anamur 8 and Anamur 12 had the greatest similarities, whereas Alanya 5 and the control Dwarf Cavendish were the most distant types. The results indicated that selections on banana grown in subtropical conditions allowed the identification of superior types in terms of yield and quality.


Publisher: Pakistan Botanical Society

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi
So far i know, grafting cannot create new hybrid. only fusion rootstock and scion which have different characteristic. so what is the purpose grafting bananas? maybe its can held permanent but each still different type and i think they pups will same like mother plant. grafting not same as breeding between pollen and anther from different typa which can create new hybrid.
thanks

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Maybe some growth factors or something similar is shared when two corms are fused together?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I think this thread is very interesting. I don't feel I need t go out and play god, but I think if plants fuse together which can happen they may share things that could possibly help or hinder the other plant :^) There's not 100's of types of banana's for no reason ...

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Until recently, I had the information that spontaneous mutation in the banana plants occurred only in the wild and very rarely. Now, I have new information that mutation occurs in banana plantations and inside the green houses more often than we expected. I still think clone variation or mutation in the banana plants occur more frequently. And if we give it a little push it will happen more often.
If my banana plant survive this winter will you allow me to call it a mutant?
Thank you for sharing your point of view.
I will continue my experiment until I grow tired of it. I hope I will get somewhere though. I've been trying for so long.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Mauro,

In the scheme of things, I think your test has been a short time. Keep up the spirit!