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Looks like a match Frank!
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So is this the banana that was first introduced about 10 years ago (our seeds came from rarepalmseeds.com) as Musa "Yunnan" then thought to be M. itinerans actually M. yunnanensis? These are the ones that sucker close together, not like the M. itinerans var. xishuangbannaensis which produces suckers up to several feet away
These are some photos of Musa itinerans (Musa "Yunnan") ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Thanks for those pics, Eric! That's the plant. Do you guys subscribe to Novon at Leu? You should go find a university library, or a library down there that has it, and key it out. I'm almost 100% positive that the banana in the pictures is Musa yunnanensis. Let me ask you this: Do the plants in your pictures form seeds, even without another bloom open? Musa yunnanensis has basal hermaphroditic flowers, so it would form seeds with just one inflorescence open.
I'll say this about the banana in your (and my) pics: It is definitely NOT Musa itinerans! The easiest distinguishing characteristic about itinerans is the long rhizomes. |
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We don't have a subscription, I will have to check into it.
Yes, these seed and quite often we get clups of seedlings coming up throughout the Gardens (50 acres). I think racoons spread them. The last photo is a clump that sprouted up from seedlings and only took a couple years to get that big. When these were first ID'd as M. itinerans I always wondered as they did not have stolons or produce suckers aways from the parents like the descriptions said. |
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So this means that the one from agri starts(M.initerans) is actually M. yunnanensis...right?
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Eric,
Hey! I see that you work at Harry P. Leu Gardens in Orlando. I'm assuming that you are the Eric who wrote the recent article "Go Bananas" in the publication Ornamental Outlook? That was a great article and a good way to introduce more people to the ornamental bananas out there. I think it is mostly people in the horticulture/grounds maintenance industry that read it though. I've read some of your articles before but never realized exactly who it was writing them until now. I'll have to look into this Novon publication. I worked at the Missouri Botanical Garden for over 5 years and I don't remember ever even hearing of it. I assume that it is put out by their Research division and I was in Horticulture, so maybe that's why. Does the yunannensis produce edible fruit? Looks like a cool banana for sure! |
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That is me! I write a monthly article on some type of group of plants. This time it was ornamental flowering bananas. Glad you enjoyed the article, OO is more of a trade magazine but always has some good articles.
I don't know how the fruits are. They're not real big and lots of seeds. One of those that you could crack a tooth or filling if you weren't careful. Quote:
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If you search yunnanensis in the gallery there are pictures of the one I imported from Nature Products (Tian Zi), so you can use that as reference too.
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I actually grew a bunch of these for a chimpanzee sanctuary in Ft. Pierce. Save the Chimps ( savethechimps.org ) has acquired an old Air Force facility in New Mexico that housed a few hundred chimps, some dating back to the early space days. They were used in space travel research or loaned out for medical research. They have 100 acres now west of Ft. Pierce and are bringing them to FL. They live in groups on islands where they are free to go outside.
Their website said they could use donations of banana plants. I asked if they were for fruit but they said no, mainly for browse. The chimps love to eat the leaves or play with them and make nests. This banana seems to be a more tolerant banana here to drier soil and nematodes. They also seemed to form a thick clump faster with lots of foliage so I collected a bunch of the seedlings I found growing wild and potted them up. Once they grew a little I took them over. |
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Eric, That is one of the coolest projects I have heard of... Seems like I read something about the chimps awhile back... So, you are saying that they moved them from NM to FL? Man, I think what you did was awesome. Good luck with your future endeavors with this project... :2720::2720::2704::2720::2720: |
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The article mentions that monkeys and bats are primarily responsible for seed dispersal. It says that seeds are "nearly flat, wrinkled, ca. 3.5 mm diam., 80-100 seeds per fruit." It also mentions that M. yunnanensis is affined to a M. acuminata group. Another interesting part of the article describes several species found in the Yunnan province in areas where seasonal frosts occur:" Ensete glaucum (Roxburgh) Cheesman, Musa acuminata Colla, M. balbisiana Colla, M. basjoo Siebolt, and M. itinerans Cheesman, as well as other misidentified banana species." I'd be curious as to which M. acuminata variety is cold-hardy. Novon is published by The Missouri Botanical Garden Press, and is a journal for botanical nomenclature. It's pretty much dedicated solely to describing new species, renaming, or reclassifying known species. It's only been around since 1991. For citation purposes, this volume is Volume 17, no. 4, pp. 440-446. I know that the Musa itinerans is supposed to cleared up in an upcoming issue of Novon, so I've been keeping my eyes peeled for it! |
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They have 286 chimpanzees. They have moved 134 to FL and have 152 left in NM that they hope to move here in the next 2 years. Its a great organization
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Cool. This is what I love about this forum.
Zac |
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Well, I have just received word from Professor Hakkinen that the plants I and Eric have posted pictures of are indeed Musa yunnanensis! Nice to hear that from the gentleman that described them.
Gabe, he said that the plant in your pictures is Musa itinerans var. itinerans, which would explain the difference in leaf bases. Otherwise, the two plants look very similar, which would explain the confusion. This makes me wonder about the seed dealers. I have seen pictures of plants labeled as Musa itinerans that look very similar to Musa yunnanensis from a distance, but differences become more obvious up close. Any Musa itinerans that I've seen, so far, appears to have a reddish-splotched pseudostem as it gains some size to it. Musa yunnanensis does not. I'd be willing to bet that there are plants of both species out there, all being sold as Musa itinerans. |
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Cool. Wierd...but cool. I had thought I showed him pictures of mine before, but maybe not.
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Even more of why I like it here!
Zac |
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