lorax

1. Voter turnout in Ecuador is about 98% - the state fines people for not voting. It is also enshrined in our constitution to right to protest, and the right to boot the president whenever a large enough group is unhappy with his actions. To bring this around to our discussion, if the plantation workers were in the square in Quito, in front of the Presidential Palace, things would likely get done - it's like Speaker's Corner but the government actually listens to the people.

3. You would object to wholesale murder in your own country, but you don't object to wholesale murder of other people in other countries, even by order of your own government?

4. More bananas for everybody!