modenacart, you really love to take my statements out of context. I hope my English is clear and you are already calling me some name which is not appropriate. See for yourself and reread my posts and yours. Do I need to spell out everything to you as in spoon-feeding? And yet I have refrained from calling you names. There are appropriate uses for extracts, but those are not my objectives, and in my opinion, those are shortcutting the discovery process, aka, cheating the process. But see that there is no name calling. I can say that somebody here really lacked experience, afterall, I grow more than 325 kinds of fruiting plants in my tiny backyard and my goal is to make wine from each of them, imparting their flavors in the wine without cheating. And that is entirely a different objective compared to using extracts. I have made more than 400 kinds of wines all in all. I grew the fruit trees myself, achieving something like 50 kinds of citrus cultivars in one tree. So you have lot to learn as of yet, and I am not missing out by cheating on the extracts.
Many extracts are concentrated using carcinogenic chemicals, that's why I avoided them. Some are fortified with artificial flavors. Yes I have used these extracts too, ie, vanilla from 100% vanilla pods, but I made sure they follow the guidelines for natural extractions such as being in 35% alcohol.
A failure is if you can't achieve the goals you set out. To use an extract with a different goal is another matter and you really missed out on that. So if you can contextualize my previous post, you could learn a thing or two before judging somebody as a snob. I take that as a direct personal insult when all the while I was talking in a third person generalization.
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Originally Posted by modenacart
Using extracts is not a failure. What you need to do is discover what you goal is and what you need to do to achieve it. If you are such a snob that you are not willing to try alternative methods such as extracts, well you are missing out. There is a whole array of flavors out there you may be missing out on.
By they way, I am not fan of Budweiser, however they are some of the best brewmasters out there. They produce an extremely repeatable product, which most people cannot do. Someone should not hate on people because they like something. There is a time and place for every beer out there. Someone's personal taste in beer is just that. What they like. A refined tasted is just a group of people's definition of what refined is and that is not the same for everyone out there.
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