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Jack Daw 05-30-2009 03:08 PM

Bananas in our gardens
 
I created this thread for us to post pics in. I believe it will make the pictures more enjoyable and of course, easier to look at...
My garden to come soon, when there's actually some bananas high enough to take pics of. :D

YAKUZA 06-03-2009 02:00 PM

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normaly this weekend a personal photo update.

grz

conejov 06-03-2009 02:07 PM

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This reminds me of the Thread of pictures of the backyard.

sensovision 06-05-2009 05:58 AM

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will post mine plant if it ever germinate :) (I was able to afford just few seeds and not sure about their viability). But I already planned where I'll plant it in garden.

Jack Daw 06-05-2009 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sensovision (Post 78814)
will post mine plant if it ever germinate :) (I was able to afford just few seeds and not sure about their viability). But I already planned where I'll plant it in garden.

Considering the influence of Black Sea in your region, what minimal temperatures are there in your area? Most of the Ukraine was designated as Dfb zones in Koppens maps and the southern part mostly Dfa (my zones). However Sochi is a subtropical paradise down there, so I'm confused. It's just a sea walk from you. :D You state zones USDA 8 to 10. I haven't seen such a span, what shoul I imagne under that?

sensovision 06-05-2009 06:26 AM

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Jack, indeed Black Sea make our climate much milder than in most part of Ukraine, and as in other part of Crimea it create micro-climate which is specific to our only region. Unfortunately we live on flatland, and don't have any mountains, forests or even hills nearby. So when we got Northern winds our air temperature may drop significantly for short time but later return under influence of Black Sea and Sea of Azov.
It's shame but I've never heard of Koppens classification, is there any resource online to see these maps freely?
Also Sochi have unique placement which seems to grant it such almost tropical climate, in our country similar position have Yalta which have very mild winter.
Regarding my city it have hot summers upto 40 Celsius in shade sometimes and most winters are mild and I agree with average temperatures listed here: Kerch, Ukraine - Sunrise, sunset, dawn and dusk times for the whole year - Gaisma (you can check this link and compare to your own climate to see if it's colder or not).
But sometimes we get -10 C for week or more and year ago we got one of the coldest winter for 50 years I think, it was -29 Celsius and also for almost week(surprisingly we had a lot of snow so nothing was damaged in garden, only some cactuses died on my balcony).
But the worst thing is our winter are most of time snowless:P

Jack Daw 06-07-2009 05:09 AM

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Ante promised some pics of his new pup, DC, if I remember well, it had perfect coloring, so I hope to see the pix here soon. ;)

YAKUZA 06-07-2009 11:55 AM

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a first photo update errot hehe
how you put a picture here guys?

YAKUZA 06-07-2009 12:08 PM

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it works. thanks Jack.

You c. a new place for the Monkey Finger's

Dalmatiansoap 06-07-2009 02:14 PM

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This are pix of my DC pup. As Jack promised :)
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-07-2009 02:27 PM

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Nice one Ante. I don't have so much coloring on my pups as you do, I have just scarse spots (8th leaf). Interesting. In the end maybe we have different types of Dwarf Cavendish. :D

Dalmatiansoap 06-07-2009 02:31 PM

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Who knows.
I think it is because of stronest sun influence.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-07-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 79029)
Who knows.
I think it is because of stronest sun influence.
:woohoonaner:

Maybe, I'm also suspecting the origin, the banana I got it from (our botanical garden) was not a TC, it comes from almost 70 years old generations bred in the greenhouses. Maybe it's a lil bit different. No TC all right. :D

Dalmatiansoap 06-07-2009 02:39 PM

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We want pix, we want pix.....
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-07-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 79032)
We want pix, we want pix.....
:woohoonaner:

Tomorrow, there's no light now, the picture would be blurry. OK? ;)

Btw. Ante, your Cavendish is closing to fruiting time, so the more leaves he will have, the better. Also, I would try a little bit larger container, you want lots of fruits, right... ;) :D

Dalmatiansoap 06-07-2009 03:17 PM

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It is going to be repoted after I remove all pups for this seson. There are two more to come for now.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-07-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 79039)
It is going to be repoted after I remove all pups for this seson. There are two more to come for now.
:woohoonaner:

Maybe it will fruit before that. :D It just occured to me, because the mother plant that I got my Dwarf Cavendish from was fruiting at this height already.
Maybe because it was a in the greenhouse? But it had about 11 leaves and there were about 80 fruits on that, long about 13 to 15cm. Some idiot tried to steal it and run away, but they caught him. He took it long before it could have ripened. So it just went to composting. Idiot.

The next plant is to fruit in about 1 year there, because the people raided our Botanical garden and stole many pups (I got it in exchange for another banana). So there are only 2 pups left. About 60cm of pstem height. Headkeeper there wanted to keep the pups below the plants, so that people could see, but idiocracy rules here 100%.

Picture of the plant in our Botanical garden (we are talking about gardens, right :D )
In the lower left corner you can also see a developing pineapple under the shade of other plants:

marenmar 06-10-2009 01:45 PM

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Hi there, here a picture of a part of my garden. These Cavendishes (6) sprouted march 2009. Unfortunately the mother plant died in march, 2m tall, it could have fruited this year:( Though off course I am happy with these :goteam:


Jack Daw 06-10-2009 01:51 PM

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Nice one marenmar. Once again I see that the Cavendishes you have are nicely coloured as well as Ante's. :D Mine are not TCed, they were passed in the same manner as Kalabrian's very own bananas, and are about as old as my grandmother (70 years ago brought from India to our Botanical institute)... So here's some leaf pics to compare the spots (they are about the same age as those that Ante has, just have larger pot and grow faster :p ):



And some of the latter additions by my good friend Marcel: Musa 'Dwarf Brazilian'



and the last picture is Musa 'Raja Puri' (nicely recovering, it had no leaves when I got it..)



More to come soon. :D Lots of them...

marenmar 06-10-2009 02:09 PM

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Tnx for the nice pics Jack, I think you'r lucky to have found one that is not TC. My plants (TC) have big spreaded spots, from mid to the edge od the leaves. Since there are outside the house day and night the leaves and stem as well are showing more red.When I have time to take some pict of the other nanners, I'll post more. Ciaooo

sensovision 06-10-2009 02:27 PM

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folks this is awesome! Thank you for sharing photos! I hope that my banana seed will grow once to such big plant too.
I especially love how bananas look in the middle of lawn, I also planned to plant it like this here, I already have lawn and only need banana now :)

Jack Daw 06-10-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sensovision (Post 79420)
folks this is awesome! Thank you for sharing photos! I hope that my banana seed will grow once to such big plant too.
I especially love how bananas look in the middle of lawn, I also planned to plant it like this here, I already have lawn and only need banana now :)

Thanks for your thanks ( :D ), but these are just small naners I have. Bigger and robuster will come soon. Some edibles too... Will post pics. But the view will be the best next year, some Super Dwarf could start fruiting and there might be some other growing to quite imposing heights.

Dalmatiansoap 06-10-2009 04:42 PM

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Hey Jack
nice pix!!
great looking plants. U ware right about coloring.

Marenmar
mine looks just like yours :)
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-10-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 79440)
Hey Jack
nice pix!!
great looking plants. U ware right about coloring.

Marenmar
mine looks just like yours :)
:woohoonaner:

I wonder, if it gets any more colorful. But I think not. Btw. it's not because of light or sun, because marenmar is just the same distance from Equator or maybe even more than me...
How do your children like bananas Ante? You know, when they see their father playing with so many plants. ;) Maybe a picture of your children below the large DC would be a great pic for family album...

Dalmatiansoap 06-10-2009 04:50 PM

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Haha, I ll wait till we grow a banana forest for familly album :)
Kids enjoys naners, they helps from start, from sowing, repoting only avoid watering to preserve home dry :):)
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-10-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 79443)
Haha, I ll wait till we grow a banana forest for familly album :)
Kids enjoys naners, they helps from start, from sowing, repoting only avoid watering to preserve home dry :):)
:woohoonaner:

:D Yes, I know what you mean, my parents can still remember the day, when they gave me the hose and said to water the garden. I was 6 years old, but there was no part of the house, that would be dry. :D

YAKUZA 06-13-2009 08:21 AM

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Some new pictures. nanas bought today. i think the last for 2009.
hmmm think. Next week the 90 seeds i orderd comming in..

Ok hera i go. sit back end no dripping on the carpet please.

Musa Velutina


Zebrina



Siam Ruby








hoop you like it and maybe i can share it with you next year :nanadrink:

Dalmatiansoap 06-13-2009 08:44 AM

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Great updates!
Last for 2009??? Dont think so :):)
We should organise tournament here. Member with only one naner wins, hahahaha...
:woohoonaner:
Joke aside, these are great plants!

Jack Daw 06-13-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by YAKUZA (Post 79882)
Some new pictures. nanas bought today. i think the last for 2009.
hmmm think. Next week the 90 seeds i orderd comming in..

Ok hera i go. sit back end no dripping on the carpet please.

Musa Velutina


Zebrina



Siam Ruby








hoop you like it and maybe i can share it with you next year :nanadrink:

Beautiful, YAKUZA, that makes one more pup I want to trade zou for something. :D Siam Ruby and Monkey fingers. ;)

YAKUZA 06-14-2009 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 79890)
Beautiful, YAKUZA, that makes one more pup I want to trade zou for something. :D Siam Ruby and Monkey fingers. ;)

no problemo.
when i have pups i let u know, but the first pups are for personal collecion. backup when mother nana is in heaven.

Jack Daw 06-14-2009 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by YAKUZA (Post 79989)
no problemo.
when i have pups i let u know, but the first pups are for personal collecion. backup when mother nana is in heaven.

Deal, I might interest you with some cool plants as well, but it's surprise for now. (ey, Ante? :D one of the surprise for you too)

YAKUZA 06-14-2009 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 79990)
Deal, I might interest you with some cool plants as well, but it's surprise for now. (ey, Ante? :D one of the surprise for you too)

come one jack, tell me hehehe. what is the secret? :0517:

i like your 'Pahari Kela' . (we want pups, we want pups):woohoonaner:

you have a photo update?

Dalmatiansoap 06-14-2009 06:27 AM

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Haha, good surprises are allways welcome
:woohoonaner:

YAKUZA 06-14-2009 07:32 AM

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Jack do you have a photo update from your 'Pahari Kela' ?

Jack Daw 06-14-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by YAKUZA (Post 79993)
come one jack, tell me hehehe. what is the secret? :0517:

i like your 'Pahari Kela' . (we want pups, we want pups):woohoonaner:

you have a photo update?

Nope, no photo update, corms are still recovering. Making completely new roots, as if tehy are no longer using the old ones, which are probably dead, because they dried out on the way here.
Anyways, I have 2 specimens in baskets (or plastic buckets), which don't limit their root growth. Also, I can see, to some extent, what the heck is going on in there. Still, nothing, but new roots. Once in a while I cut the Pstem back by about 3cm, and it grows back precisely 3cm, that's how I know they live for sure. But nothing.

Soil temperatures are high in the buckets, as they are heated up by the sun from all directions.

I think it's just a matter of weeks until there is enough roots to start making pups (I think the original Pstem won't live on, but many new pups will emerge).

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 79994)
Haha, good surprises are allways welcome
:woohoonaner:

Yep, there's one person that knows, partly, what I'm about to get, but he will remain secret, right. :D Btw. today we had warmer climate, than you guys in Makarska. :D
We are on a good track here. :lol:

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Originally Posted by YAKUZA (Post 79997)
Jack do you have a photo update from your 'Pahari Kela' ?

No, I didn't shoot enything, because nothing's really going on above the surface level. :D When there's a movement above the soil level, you will be the first guys to share my pix with... ;)

Dalmatiansoap 06-14-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 80008)
Yep, there's one person that knows, partly, what I'm about to get, but he will remain secret, right. :D Btw. today we had warmer climate, than you guys in Makarska. :D
We are on a good track here. :lol:

Haha Jack, dont belive sticker. Didnt change this till morning. We are a bit more than 30 now. :)
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-14-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 80017)
Haha Jack, dont belive sticker. Didnt change this till morning. We are a bit more than 30 now. :)
:woohoonaner:

We too :D, 31°C now :D. It's actually been like this since maybe 11:00, I'm all burned on my back, have been making space for nanas.

YAKUZA 06-14-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 80019)
We too :D, 31°C now :D. It's actually been like this since maybe 11:00, I'm all burned on my back, have been making space for nanas.

my sticker is right.
we want 35°c :goteam:

Jack Daw 06-14-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by YAKUZA (Post 80020)
my sticker is right. **** hehe.
we want 35°c :goteam:

Don't mind the weather. I realized today, that during the winter, when I can't go out and enjoy the life I do most work. And by most I mean more than non programmer can imagine. :D
But summer, actually, when the weather is above 25°C, I literally sleep outside, do everything outside. We even have a shower for pool outside, so I even shower outside, don't really bother to come inside. It's pretty empty there until late October :D ...

Dalmatiansoap 06-15-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by YAKUZA (Post 80020)
my sticker is right.
we want 35°c :goteam:

U can have mine :) +36 C
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-15-2009 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 80128)
U can have mine :) +36 C
:woohoonaner:

Now that is a little but too much. We have around 26°C, but no sun. There's almost 90% hydratation of the air in my village and surroundings and the air is windless.
Difficult to breathe. You can feel the sun's power even through the clouds. :D
Btw. Ante, I'm not that white as it seemed, actually, if you remember gipsies, I'm now that color on my back and white-brown in the front. Was doing some yard work yesterday and kinda missed the 30°C. :D Nu burn damage, tonight will be a pleasureful one, the temps shouldn't fall below 20°C until 400 CET and even then to 18°C for a while. TOmorrow rain and then we are going to swim. Water temperature was about 26°C the last time I checked. Fortunatelly, there are 16 lakes in my vicinity, so I can choose the warmest one. :D

YAKUZA, how about you?

YAKUZA 06-15-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 80129)
Now that is a little but too much. We have around 26°C, but no sun. There's almost 90% hydratation of the air in my village and surroundings and the air is windless.
Difficult to breathe. You can feel the sun's power even through the clouds. :D
Btw. Ante, I'm not that white as it seemed, actually, if you remember gipsies, I'm now that color on my back and white-brown in the front. Was doing some yard work yesterday and kinda missed the 30°C. :D Nu burn damage, tonight will be a pleasureful one, the temps shouldn't fall below 20°C until 400 CET and even then to 18°C for a while. TOmorrow rain and then we are going to swim. Water temperature was about 26°C the last time I checked. Fortunatelly, there are 16 lakes in my vicinity, so I can choose the warmest one. :D

YAKUZA, how about you?


still raining and 2O degrees.
All water overhere is pretty cold i think.
option B is a tropical indoor pool 20 km from here.

Good news is seeds arived.
ventricosum
velutina
coccinea
ornata
musa sp (royal purple)
sikkemensis
glaucum
balbisiana

+ 5 strelitzia regiane (gift)
10 palmtree seeds (gift)

Jack Daw 06-15-2009 01:09 PM

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YAKUZA, you will be germinating all week. :D Good luck with those seeds and I hope they will germinate well for you. ;)

YAKUZA 06-16-2009 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw (Post 80168)
YAKUZA, you will be germinating all week. :D Good luck with those seeds and I hope they will germinate well for you. ;)

i hoop so 2 Jack
i have bad expierience with it.
My local nursery just put the seeds in soil end in the greenhouse. No furder treatment. i hope this works for me 2

Dalmatiansoap 06-16-2009 06:15 AM

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Ou, it is funn to germinate seeds. Expirience from beginning.
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-16-2009 07:14 AM

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Hi there my friends. It's been some time since I posted any quality picture, so here are some. :D Do sit back and enjoy.

Picture 1: DC and the damage one 3 minute long rain can do.


Picture 2: SDC 1 leaf profile (bought as Musa Picolo)


Picture 3: My vegie garden part. It's not that big, but surprisingly can feed the whole family. The next year paprikas (peppers), beans, watermelons... everything will grow there in harmony with the nanas. Plants are described in the picture.


Picture 4: Ensete ventricosum 'Maurelli', one for fun and one for TCing. :D


Picture 5: Francesco's new most favourite bananas after Ice Cream. ;) Potted, watered, adapting. Day temps from 26 to 33°C.


Picture 6: Names of the plants are in the pictures, zou can see a total of 10 Grand Nains there, 2 Maurellis, my pride, a gift from Marcel - Dwarf Brazilian and Ananas comosus.


Picture 7: Grand Nain detail.


Picture 8: Dwarf Brazilian detail.


Picture 9: Dwarf Brazilian leaf detail.


Picture 10: Musa basjoo 'Rubra' in the left, Musa basjoo 'Сахали́н' or for those of you who can't speak Russian, Musa basjo 'Sakhalin' in the right


Picture 11: Musa basjoo 'Rubra' bad detail on p-stem, but the color's there.


Picture 12: Musa basjoo 'Сахали́н' detail.


Picture 13: Musa 'Dajiao' leaf detail, it's supposed to be an ABB hybrid, unknown cultivar, anyone kow something about it? PM, thanks.


Picture 14: Musa 'Dajiao' Pair.


Picture 15: Raja Prui after a very nasty, 3 minute long rain. It's leaves are full of holes and tears, but it will live nicely. It's grown nicely so far.


Picture 16: Pahari Kela progress.


Picture 17: Pahari Kela progress detail (no, it's not rotting, just the sun damaged it into this shape). Isn't it amazingly fast for a banana? :D


Picture 18: SDC labelled in the shop as Musa Miska


Picture 19: SDC 2 leaf detail.


Picture 20: SDC leaf and leaf and leaf after a leaf... :D


Picture 21: SDC 3 (labelled Musa tropicana) leaf detail.


Picture 22: From left to right: Citrus sinensis 'Tarocco Tapi', Musa 'Dwarf Cavendish', Citrus paradisi 'Bezsemjanij' (Sochi grepfruit)


Picture 23: Mini cocos nucifera.


Picture 24: Mini cocos nucifera detail.


Picture 25: Larger nucifera.


Picture 26: Nucifera view from top. :D I will donate these to a warm climate one day, when they are over 3,6 meters and I won't be able to store them anywhere.


Hop you liked it and I'm already looking forward to your pix. :D

Dalmatiansoap 06-16-2009 08:07 AM

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Bravo Jack!!!
Some pictures ha?
Congratulations!!!!
Gran Nain ej?
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-16-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 80286)
Bravo Jack!!!
Some pictures ha?
Congratulations!!!!
Gran Nain ej?
:woohoonaner:

Ej. Along with Maurelli and two of the most hardy bananas that will make wonderful scenario near my pool and summer bathroom. :D I will be showering below the leaves of basjoo. In a year or so that is. :D Imagine showering below the flower bud and developing fruits. ;)
Few pictures. I didn't have time to take more as I was in hurry to give those little babies what they wanted the most: Soil and water.

Dalmatiansoap 06-17-2009 10:38 AM

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I recived few healthy pups from USA today. So U all have to know that it can be done :):):).
I will keep U posted with growth.

:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw 06-17-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap (Post 80448)
I recived few healthy pups from USA today. So U all have to know that it can be done :):):).
I will keep U posted with growth.

:woohoonaner:

Hi Ante, firstly congrats to new plants and secondly, it can be done, but I fear that not without phyto from USA to EU, or maybe yes, but in my case, it wil be standing a week for observation in our phytoinstitute. Nice plants you have there. :D
I just can't help it but like the Darjeeling Giant looking so small compared to to the Musa 'Apple' (or Manzano in your pic). :D
Anyways, it's getting full of plants in the Europe I see. I have some plants, YAKUZA has some, Kalabrian has some, you have some and the best part is, that we all have different cultivars. ;) That's good for trade :D
Also, Ante, I will make ready one or two pups from both basjoos if you're interested, they will like my climate very much, so the growth will be good. Also, they should be growing without any protection in Makarska, so you will have problems with too many of them someday. :D


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