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Abnshrek 10-07-2013 10:08 AM

Winterization
 
Most effective method.. :^)



This is my least favorite method.. I prefer Heat-taping my outdoor banana's since there is no bulbs to replace it just works. Wrapping the banana is basically same method with a much more reliable heater in a heat-tape.







An Namwah I wrapped up.. Now this was fun.. believe you me.. :^)



Unwrapped Feb 23rd last year and lost this stem to frost..



Of course it recovered nicely.. :^)



This is a DC after unwrapping in 2010, I had it wrapped in trash bags filled w/ straw and wrapped w/ a heat-tape.. This is my 1st and last DC flower (flowered in 10 months).. It rotted in place.


robert0514 10-07-2013 03:16 PM

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I'm usually forced to do the method with lights, works quite often for me. Also the picture of the DC is very intriguing, if I am correct is the flower coming straight out of a 2ft pseudostem.

Abnshrek 10-07-2013 03:36 PM

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The Dc Choked hard as you can see there was more stem..



Here's the flower exposed.



Fingers exposed



Flower / Fruit demise..


edzone9 10-07-2013 06:56 PM

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AB must admit you have a great technic for winterizing !..
Amazing they still fruit under those conditions .

P.s. nice size front yard !:08:

crazy banana 10-07-2013 08:36 PM

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Very nice job! Do you mind sharing where to get the heat tape? Cannot find it at HD or Loewes...

Abnshrek 10-07-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 230637)
Very nice job! Do you mind sharing where to get the heat tape? Cannot find it at HD or Lowes...

I don't what the length you need but its always better to have to much than not enough so I get the longest one I can get.. They used to have 40ft'ers, but only carry 30' now days @ Hoe Depot-online.. If you get 2 they ship for free.. :^)
Frost King 30 ft. Automatic Electric Heat Cable Kit-HC30 at The Home Depot

crazy banana 10-07-2013 08:51 PM

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Nice. Thank you. They do not have it in the stores here in SoCal, but I should have checked the websites.... Want to try this...

Mj 10-08-2013 05:31 PM

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Question from a first time banana grower in zone 7 (Tennessee). I was given a small tree in the spring and thought I'd see how it would do. It's now about 8 ft tall with a couple of 5 ft shoots. They've become a nice looking little family. I'm not growing them for fruit but do want them back next year. I've seen several in the area come back year after year after being cut back and mulched. My question is: Should I cut them before first frost or let them die down naturally and then cut them back. I really don't want to dig them up. Although I do have a large crawl space I could use if I have to.

Abnshrek 10-08-2013 05:48 PM

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I don't know what type you have (you can post a pic and someone should be able to narrow it down)? I have Orinoco's here that I don't do anything till spring.. IE trim leaves off and trim back a bit.. :^)

Mj 10-08-2013 11:20 PM

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Sorry, Don't know the type. That's a picture of my tree by my name. I don't ever see any banana trees here through the winter, though.

Mj 10-09-2013 12:03 AM

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Abnshrek 10-09-2013 08:53 AM

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Can anyone help MJ out? I think the plant needs alot more mulch if its going to stay out where it is..

Mj 10-09-2013 12:46 PM

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Actually, Abnshrek, I haven't mulched it yet. We probably still have another month of fall weather. The elephant ear in front winters over ok. The boston fern is potted and will come inside. I had planned on cutting the banana stalks to about a foot and covering them with a couple of feet of straw. Thats what most in this area do. ( I'm in Knoxville, TN) I don't know if I should cut it before it freezes or wait till it turns brown.

Abnshrek 10-09-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mj (Post 230757)
Actually, Abnshrek, I haven't mulched it yet. We probably still have another month of fall weather. The elephant ear in front winters over ok. The boston fern is potted and will come inside. I had planned on cutting the banana stalks to about a foot and covering them with a couple of feet of straw. Thats what most in this area do. ( I'm in Knoxville, TN) I don't know if I should cut it before it freezes or wait till it turns brown.

Mulch helps hold water during the summer.. It breaks down pretty fast, but I think it helps feed the plants as it breaks down, whether that be due to worms, Rollie-Pollies, termites, etc.. eating it up and leaving good stuff behind.. :^)

blownz281 10-09-2013 05:45 PM

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Basjoo

Mj 10-10-2013 12:55 AM

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Thanks. It looks like you're right from what I can see.

Duckfood 10-10-2013 07:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mj (Post 230757)
( I'm in Knoxville, TN) I don't know if I should cut it before it freezes or wait till it turns brown.

The answer, in my opinion, is somewhere in the middle... I'd wait until the first freeze and then chop... I would not wait "Till it turns brown"...

Mj 10-10-2013 08:43 AM

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Thanks. Will try that.

designshark 10-10-2013 10:29 AM

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Looks like a basjoo to me too. It should be fine no matter which method you choose. I'd wait 'til frost too before doing anything.

Abnshrek 10-14-2013 06:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 230637)
Very nice job! Do you mind sharing where to get the heat tape? Cannot find it at HD or Loewes...

Here is a 40' Heat-Tape and 3 bucks cheaper than Hoe Depot.. :^)

Easy Heat Inc AHB-140 40' Auto Heating Cable

While I'm @ it what is the best Frost Cloth you have used?

KYpalmer 10-18-2013 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 231177)
Here is a 40' Heat-Tape and 3 bucks cheaper than Hoe Depot.. :^)

Easy Heat Inc AHB-140 40' Auto Heating Cable

While I'm @ it what is the best Frost Cloth you have used?

That's awesome..........but on my newly purchased 2 acres, we dont have electricity yet HAHAHAH

Abnshrek 10-18-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KYpalmer (Post 231737)
That's awesome..........but on my newly purchased 2 acres, we dont have electricity yet HAHAHAH

You going to build them an earth home w/ a sky light? :^)

KYpalmer 10-18-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 231753)
You going to build them an earth home w/ a sky light? :^)

hahahaha. i will do the hoop house effect with two layers of 6mil plastic and throw in some mulch and stuff.

Abnshrek 10-18-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KYpalmer (Post 231759)
hahahaha. i will do the hoop house effect with two layers of 6mil plastic and throw in some mulch and stuff.

They need some mulch anyways.. right :^)

KYpalmer 10-18-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 231760)
They need some mulch anyways.. right :^)

yeah we put some mulch on this summer to hold in moisture and in hopes of it breaking down while we build our compost bins up (which is doing good)

Abnshrek 11-09-2013 08:14 PM

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Well with the weather coming its time to put my small one's in the storage room w/ T-12 5k lighting.. :^)





My big one's will be in by COB Tuesday evening.. They have T-5 and T-8 5k lighting.. :^)

crazy banana 11-09-2013 09:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 231177)
Here is a 40' Heat-Tape and 3 bucks cheaper than Hoe Depot.. :^)

Easy Heat Inc AHB-140 40' Auto Heating Cable

While I'm @ it what is the best Frost Cloth you have used?

Frost cloth: I use the Agribon 19, which is thick enough to protect my plants from early morning hour frost, but not too thick if it gets warm during the day. It also lets enough light through. The coldest night temperatures last winter were 28F, so the Agribon 19 was sufficient. If it gets colder where you live, you might want to go with the Agribon 30 (4-6 F frost protection) or the Agribon 50 ( up to 8 F protection).

Abnshrek 11-09-2013 11:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 233704)
Frost cloth: I use the Agribon 19, which is thick enough to protect my plants from early morning hour frost, but not too thick if it gets warm during the day. It also lets enough light through. The coldest night temperatures last winter were 28F, so the Agribon 19 was sufficient. If it gets colder where you live, you might want to go with the Agribon 30 (4-6 F frost protection) or the Agribon 50 ( up to 8 F protection).

I have not used frost cloth, just test driving it this year.. I might try it on established plants but young one's I just am not taking a chance when it comes to cold.. I have 3oz for my banana's and the frost covers for my citrus.. :^)

Abnshrek 11-10-2013 06:00 PM

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The 1st step in putting a 13' stemmed banana to sleep for the winter.. See if I can get them banana's thru the winter.. Can't see the flower no more.. Hell I'm almost camouflaged.. :^)


crazy banana 11-10-2013 06:03 PM

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On a 6' ladder? Careful!!!��

Abnshrek 11-10-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 233733)
On a 6' ladder? Careful!!!��

No a 21' ladder folded in half.. :^)

crazy banana 11-10-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 233735)
No a 21' ladder folded in half.. :^)

OK, you made me worry for a moment ;)

Abnshrek 11-10-2013 06:54 PM

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Caligold ready for the cold that's coming.. Veinte Cohol ready to seek shelter.. The non Goldfinger in the corner (L) will get stuck in a pot tomorrow.. :^)


Abnshrek 11-11-2013 11:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy banana (Post 233704)
Frost cloth: I use the Agribon 19, which is thick enough to protect my plants from early morning hour frost, but not too thick if it gets warm during the day. It also lets enough light through. The coldest night temperatures last winter were 28F, so the Agribon 19 was sufficient. If it gets colder where you live, you might want to go with the Agribon 30 (4-6 F frost protection) or the Agribon 50 ( up to 8 F protection).

My frost covers are Agribon + whatever that # might be? I know they seem thicker and more heavy-duty than 3oz. frost cloth.. that's all I know.. I don't wanna know what a 15'x 250' roll of Agribon + would run.. :^)

Abnshrek 11-11-2013 02:13 PM

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This is my cold weather test.. S. Ark Orinoco w/ just frost cloth..



I think the whole stem will survive.. we'll see.. :^)

Abnshrek 11-11-2013 10:11 PM

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Namwah bundled up..



White Iholena...



I lit a fire under them.. as a pretest.. 13' Glow in the Dark BoogieMan.. :^)


crazy banana 11-11-2013 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 233777)
My frost covers are Agribon + whatever that # might be? I know they seem thicker and more heavy-duty than 3oz. frost cloth.. that's all I know.. I don't wanna know what a 15'x 250' roll of Agribon + would run.. :^)

I bought mine last year at Agriculture Solutions LLC
Good prices and quality, so I will still be able to use it all again this upcoming winter.

sunfish 11-12-2013 12:08 AM

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I will never again wrap or heat another plant so it will make it through winter. Plenty of plants to grow that don't need protection

Abnshrek 11-12-2013 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sunfish (Post 233848)
I will never again wrap or heat another plant so it will make it through winter. Plenty of plants to grow that don't need protection

Does that include bringing plants in from the elements? :^)

Abnshrek 11-12-2013 07:08 PM

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Just some I did today..





4 in a row.. can't see the Sweetheart..




designshark 11-12-2013 10:25 PM

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Do I sense paranormal activity around your house or is Halloween runnin a little late around there?

:nanadrink:

Abnshrek 11-12-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by designshark (Post 233904)
Do I sense paranormal activity around your house or is Halloween runnin a little late around there?

:nanadrink:

None of them are lit so, I think we're good.. Might be Banana Goolies..

My test in La.. is the Ice Cream ( not Namwah) w/o a heat-tape in the last pic.. all by itself.. :^)

designshark 11-12-2013 10:40 PM

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I admire your work. I'd do the same if I could but we're freezing up solid here tonight. Got my basjoos stuffed and tarped probably until April. I was able to harbor some nice pups though, their almost as tall as me! I miss the tropical landscape already.

Abnshrek 11-12-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by designshark (Post 233907)
I admire your work. I'd do the same if I could but we're freezing up solid here tonight. Got my basjoos stuffed and tarped probably until April. I was able to harbor some nice pups though, their almost as tall as me! I miss the tropical landscape already.

Thanks.. I hear you its a shame.. Most of my work was done since I have several in stages of fruiting so figured mize well go for it.. I do know the Agribon + frost cloth I purchased is better than the 3 oz. premium I purchased so we'll see how well it works.. Its already freezing in S. Ark..

Abnshrek 11-13-2013 04:01 PM

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Well it got down to 29F this morning in S. Ark.. 35 mph winds knocked off one of my covers it won't do it again, believe you me.. Leaves on the White Iholena are only slightly burnt I think the Christmas lites and heat-tape are the only reason they aren't toast.. The banana's look fine.. :^)


merce3 11-13-2013 10:39 PM

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^what is this heat tape that you speak of?

Abnshrek 11-13-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by merce3 (Post 233960)
^what is this heat tape that you speak of?



Easy Heat Inc AHB-140 40' Auto Heating Cable

If you only need a 30'er Home Depot.com is reasonable.. I got some on sale last week for $36.. :^)

Abnshrek 11-17-2013 10:29 AM

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An Orinoco w/ bunch hangin'.. This one is like a Present you have to wait till Easter to open up.. :^)


Abnshrek 11-18-2013 11:57 AM

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Namwah I need to redo the frost cloth, so I thought you might like to see how well the 3oz. Frost cloth works after this one took 24F for several hours. Glad it doesn't get that cold normally. It has a slight burn, but not anything major. :^)


Abnshrek 11-23-2013 04:27 PM

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Well I think this one if it weren't so close to popping I'd clip the top.. :^)



I had to break out Bubba tree to see how I can retrofit it.. :^)


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