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Old 12-03-2007, 03:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Seed of Seedless banana?

Would anybody tell me if there exists "Seed of Seedless banana"?
I guess it should exist, otherwise there is no way of artificial evolution or
improvement of banana species. Sucker does not help artificial evolution,
but seed does.
Therefore there should be a seed to germinate pup of seedless banana of
triploidic, diploidic parthenocarpic what so ever.
In order to produce such seeds, I think the mother should be seedy banana
such as Sikkimensis or Balbisiana and the father be seedless banana.
Does this kind of cross breeding produce seeds of a seedless banana?
Or what is the true story?
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Default Re: Seed of Seedless banana?

often is said that the Basjoo is seedless...
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Default Re: Seed of Seedless banana?

seedless is seedless. cultivated bananas are sterile females due to genetics, triploidy, and chromosomal structural changes all depending on the clone in question. female sterility is the main reason for seedlessness in the Cavendish cultivars, whereas, Gros Michel produces no pollen (sterile male flowers) due to its triploidy but if grown near another pollen source may put out one or two seeds per bunch. cultivated bananas are parthenocarpic, they develop edible pulp without pollination, while in wild bananas pollination is required for fruit development and will produce no fruit if the plant is shielded from pollination. over the years i have seen many labs/farms attempt to produce seed in Cavendish cultivars and it has never happened, so in Cavendish there doesn't exist a seed of the seedless.

while seeds do give rise to genetic variation evolution doesn't necessary require seeds, pups can be genetic sports that are superior to the mother plant, many superior moss mutations have occurred due to increases in UV light levels giving rise to superior colonies that end up taking over the colony.
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Sounds Like The Guy Knows His Stuff.
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I second. Very articulate.
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inkcube is just trying to impress us to get more "thanks". I'll play along!
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I'm trying to limit the amount of plants i have in each group. should i cut back the pups? or remove them all together?
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Wow Inkcube!!! I just wrote all that stuff down! Its part of my Education on Nanners!! Heck Me thinks I should direct my questions to YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!!!!!!!!! I will pay more attention to your post for now on! Thankyou very much!!!!!!
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remove them all together and send each one of us a pup. ha ha ha ha
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mmm... that's a goood idea!!
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Default Re: Seed of Seedless banana?

What inkcube says is true and is very nicely written, but there are however many different edible bananas that are female fertile, male fertile, or sometimes both. The reasons for sterility are not limited to just one factor, often it can be a combination of different characteristics that will produce a certain level of sterility. Sterility is on a spectrum, meaning that a plant isn't necessarily either just completely fertile or completely sterile, but rather is often somewhere between these two extremes.
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
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ohhhhhh- battle discussion of the banana. when you guys do this i learn sooooooooo much. please continue.
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i never said all edible bananas were sterile; Cavendish cultivars are female sterile and Gros Michel male sterile. i did say all cultivated bananas were parthenocarpic.
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Default Re: Seed of Seedless banana?

O.K Lets all retire to the nearest water hole. All this sterile and non-sterile and pathenocarpic mutation colonies is making me thirsty. I'm buying.

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Very nice discussion and very nicely written.
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Default Re: Seed of Seedless banana?

Hi all,

Unfortunately it has not been clear for me even by any reply posts ever
posted in this thread.
So could anyone explain on the theoretical(why) and practical(how) sides
of the production of "Seeds" of seedless edible bananas for banana's species
evolution by human technique?
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