Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Further research is necessary to determine
the plants with suffi cient cold hardiness and the
cultivars suited for Annual Cropping Production
(ACP) under Georgia weather conditions. Theseimportant studies have not been carried out due to
lack of funding. What a pity!

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thank you for the information Asacomm. Could you tell me where you got it?
I don't think there are so many kinds of edible bananas here in Japan.
How did you get hold of this specimen?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Surprisingly southern turkey has commercial banana production but the bananas grown are used mostly within turkey and are not exported. I heard the recent preference in Turkey was for the supermarket banana or Gran Nain and less favored is the locally grown variety. I had shipped some tissue cultured gran nain to a grower and they are doing fine in that climate. They finally reached maturity back 5-6 years ago and I heard the locals love them. Hopefully they will continue to use the divisions off of the mature gran nain plants and increase even further production with that variety. But see even in countries that produce bananas selection is often limited apparently as it is in Japan.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Bon dia Mauro, como esta?

I found these two varieties quite incidentally.
The one that they say it could be "Cardaba" was found in checking websites
on banana. A man in Miyazaki posted a thread telling behind his house there
had long been a banana grove that produced very delicious bananas every
year. Then I got a pup from him.

The other one that would be "Pisang Awak" was found on the way of my
driving. The banana grove was left half wild, but was fruiting. And I got a pup
from the landowner. That was a quite coincidence.
The landlowner told me that the banana grove had been there for some 60
years and he harvested fruits almost every year.

Esta clar?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Jeff, please check this site about Anamur you can see some pictures of bananas grown there.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I don't know what the variety it is they grow in turkey but they do grow alot of them. Though I have been told the Turks prefer the commercial banana varieties over the locally grown ones. I hope one day the gran nain plants I shipped over there are doing well and have already produced fruit.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

In 1902, an Austrian botanist Gottlieb Haberlandt introduced Totipotency to describe the plasticity of plant cells and it’s the ability for cells to divide into many types of cells to produce an entire organism. The developmental plasticity of plant cells are well-known in laboratory gardens, where they are cultivated and harvested. Parts of plants such as leaves, stems, and roots are cut and put into soil or water. After a while, new shoots and roots begin to develop from the freshly cut plant (also known as grafting).

In 1958, Titopotency was first demonstrated using carrot cells. Fully differentiated carrot cells were extracted and put together to form an entirely new organism. Basically the carrot was cloned.

The process included creating clones from differentiated cells that can be divided into two stages: dedifferentiation and redifferentiation. Phytohormones (plant hormones), auxin and cytokinin play a key role in facilitating cellular recombination. Auxin, a tryptophan derivative, and cytokinin, a purine derivative, works counteractively to produce the perfect the perfect environment for differentiated cells. During incubation, high concentrations of auxin and cytokinin help the dedifferentiate cells to clump into a mass called a callus. The Callus is maintained in a tissue culture, where totipotency and differentiation responds to the hormone levels y shoots and roots. Redifferentiation occurs when individual cells become differentiated and are dispatched to different areas. As they embark to their respective positions, they become individuals based on their specific tasks. When they reach the assigned area, they begin the process of constructing the new organism.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Maybe novisyatria should try grafting in tissue culture

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Muro i live in the midal of the Mohove desert people think im nuts for growing bananas and i live at 3000ft elavation in the seara Navada moutains and my Bananas are thriving well they dont grow as well as they would in a more tropical invorment but they do pretty well im sure i will get fruit this year there are viriatys out that that gow in colder climets some of them are unknown to us but there out there having mutated form origanly cold sesativ stock whats you climet zone again mabe some one here on the org has some stock that has provin to be cold hardy my temps whent in the the high 20 this year and my Blue javas are already throwing new leafs just stlitly growing alsow my Enset M has just produced a big new leaf and the night time teps are now 45ish keep us posted the longer we all grow viriatys in marganal ereas the more likly that a hybred with new hardenss will come in to exsistent

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

That's a sound idea, plants might be prone to accept grafts much more easily under such conditions.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

That was my thought.If it's going to work it seems this would be the best way.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

My climate zone is 9a.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

technically yes we can grafting in vitro, but i am a little busy now for propagating heheh. maybe later.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

comment:
it is early to generalise
by mabrouk el-sharkawy

[Comment posted 2010-02-11 13:35:12]

Tolerance or resistance to multiple environmental stresses is a complex phenomenon and it is too early to generalize that a set of protein molecules or a set of genes can integrate a ONE response for all aspects of stresses. Under field conditions, higher plants respond to various environmental factors singly or in combination via a set of phenotypic traits.

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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

So how are the naners, Mauro? Did they survive the winter?

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Only the grafted pups did. The tall ones died around the end of March. The winter is too long for them to bear. I didn't reach success, yet. I guess I have to try again. I still wonder why pups survive the winter and the adults, mature plants don't.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Re: Back-yard naked Banana Scientist
 

I have trying to prove that the impossible can be done grafting mature banana pups and get a new crossbred variety.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi Jeffrey, Long time no see! By the way, I'm still alive and tempering with my banana plants. The weather over here in mainland Japan is too cold for my experiments so I moved my plants to a warmer climate, Okinawa. Now the cold weather will not kill my plants 'cause the climate is Okinawa is subtropical and we grow bananas all year round. I have grafted citrus fruits producing hybrids, so the root stock can affect the scion for sure, it's a fact! I have calamansi lemons producing hybrids right here in my orchard. My grafted bananas survived the winter but are not producing fruits, yet. LOL!:2722::2722:

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi Jack, Myy bananas survived the winter but are not producing fruits, yet!

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Interesting. Sounds to me like preliminary evidence of grafting. I would like to see dug-up corms of grafted plants, though, to see that they really have grown together and healed over the outside of the junction the way a cut would heal on a single corm.

How does a cut heal on a single corm, by the way? I've seen video of cutting off pups, and of transplanting whole plants, where people chop away pretty casually and then the plant is growing just fine in the next scene. So I know they heal well. But I've never seen one where they dig up a recently-cut corm to show what the healing cut looks like. Ideally, someone would transplant a pup every few days until the first one is well recovered from being cut, and then dig them all up at once to get a picture of the stages of recovery.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I'm curious to know the updates :)

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi Jesse, here is a report of what I've been doing lately. Let me begin with my grafting, if I may call it grafting, for the skeptical people, I cut the corm of a Basjoo pup and another corm of a Raja Puri pup and tied them together. After they grew together sharing the same space of course, I cut the Raja Puri pup and didn't let it grow. My aim was to make the Basjoo pup suck cells from the Raja's corm or bulb. After around 4 months, the winter came and the Raja Puri corm probably died because it never grew up again when the spring came, while the Basjoo went into dormancy during the winter and continued its growth in the spring. In the third year the Basjoo bore seeded fruits and I planted them this spring. Out of about 1000 seeds around 15 seeds germinated. 6 seedlings died but 9 seedlings are growing vigorously. All the 9 seedlings have different characteristics, such as the shape of the leaves and collor. If they are hybrids of Basjoo and Raja Puri I don't know. If they are 100% M. Basjoo or not I also don't know. I have to wait for this new generation of plants to bear fruits to be able to identify them. Some of the plants seem to have the leaves similar to the Raja Puri and some seem to be just like the Basjoo. As you all know, in the plant kingdom amazing things happen, mutants occur in the wild because some insects or termites trick the plant to transform. I don't know of anyone having collected Basjoo viable seeds. In the past I have harvested seeds from Basjoo plants but they never germinated. Only the grafted Basjoo produced viable seeds in my 15-year-old garden. I have about 7 mats of Basjoo and the bananas that are not pollinated fall down when young and inmature. I will continue grafting my Basjoo Plants because I want to grow a variety that will resist the cold. Up to now I don't have any edible banana that will resist my climate. I will continue studying the abnormalities of nature and I have confidence that I will get good results although many botanists do not approve my experiments. So long for now and Best Wishes to all the members of the forum.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I approve!

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hello Mauro,

I still don't approve your "Grafting", but I will keep my eyes with much interests
on your experiments and results.

If you like it, I wlcome your mail or message either in English or Japanese
as I live in Shizuoka City.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thank you Asacomm. I appreciate your friendship. We have something in common, we live in the same country and we are banana enthusiasts. Your climate is warmer than mine, so you have a better chance of growing edible bananas. As my furusato, home town is Okinawa I don't have any need to do any crazy experiments, because we can grow any kind of bananas in the subtropical climate of Okinawa but living here in Mie Prefecture and encounter the M. Basjoo which is very cold resistant made me curious about the behavior of the banana plants, and find a way to crossbreed them. What I am doing is something unbelievable, and doesn't deserve any credit, but still there is something in my mind that tells me that if I keep trying I will get somewhere. I already have 9 plants of a new generation of Basjoo growing marvelously and that is enough to satisfy my ambitions for the moment. I will keep you informed about my experiments. For myself it is really rewarding to have friends in the forum. Best Wishes, Mauro

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thank you, Worm_farmer. I think you are a person who believes in the wonders of Mother Nature. I didn't get this idea of "Grafting the banana plant" out of thin air. A Brazilian guy told me his father used to do it in his farm, so I decided to try it. If you see a smoke, there should be a fire somewhere, so I decided to graft banana plants myself. I didn't find any reason for this Brazilian guy to lie to me since he was my friend. After I posted my grafting in the forum I felt pretty stupid, but there was no way to turn back. I know myself and I'm a purdy hardheaded mule. There should be some truth in this "grafting thing", so I kept experimenting. I still don't have concrete proof of the possibilty of grafting banana plants, but I will continue my experiments as long as it takes. I hate to be a failure. Your approval is a very energetic support and encouragement to my efforts. I appreciate it. Best Wishes, Mauro

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hello Mauro,

Thank you for your quick comments.

To be very frank with you, I find much hesitations to approve your so called "Grafting" banana
to be a way to crossbreed banana species. If such could be possible, there would not have been
agonies to find cold resistant bananas, and the world is filled up with cold hardy bananas anywhere.
The reality is, however, such has not been happend. But to tell the truth, I have been paying much
attention and respect to your experiments.

Now, for your information, I introduce you what I succeeded overwintering and harvest here
in Shizuoka City without any anticold protections.

1. So called "Miyazaki Banana" which could be a variety of vegetable banana
　　that have been planted half wildly for a long time in Miyazaki and Kagoshima areas.
2. A kind of local banana that has been secredly grown here inShizuoka area
for considerable long time. That is said to be transplanted by some sailer
from the Philippines and is considered to be a variety of Psang Awak.

The bananas overwintered by some protections on the pstems under the eaves are California Gold,
Hajaray, Dwf Orinoco, Ice Cream etc.

If you like to get more informations, I am pleased to do so.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thank you for your information Mr. Asacomm. I have been living in Japan for 47 years and this is the first time I hear about the Miyazaki Banana. I know Miyazaki and Kagoshima Prefecture and I'm aware that it snows there. Sometimes, in the winter it gets colder than Mie, Prefecture, where I live. I really would like to get my hands in a Miyazaki Banana pup. Do you know if it is possible? Do you know anyone who is growing this precious banana? In my area no one grows bananas. Maybe because it gets too big and people don't have much space like I do. I am growing an Atlantic forest here in Mie, by my own with seeds of plants of the Atlantic Coast of South America, especially with Brazilian Pines, Araucaria Angustifolia, which produces edible seeds and the Chilean palms. I don't have any contact with banana enthusiasts here in Japan. The types of bananas you mentioned which are cold hardy, We don't have in Okinawa. Several years ago my brother brought me pups of about 5 or 6 types of famous bananas grown in Brazil but they did not survive the winter, that's why I started my experiments. Here is a video I made in the early spring few years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIryzP2-oY I hope you like it. I will post updates of my New Basjoo in the near future. Once again thank you for your information. Bye!

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Hi Mauro,
Thank you for your response. First of all, I didn't know that you have been in japan
almost for 47 years. I also have seen your several videos on the net.

We have a considerable wide net society in japan on banana through blogs and internet.
So why don't you try it?

Regarding the "Miyazaki Banana", if you search it on the net, you will be able
to find what it is and probably who grows it.
Of course I grow it , so if there will be a good sucker some time next year, I will let you know
when the time comes.

Today it is a horrible day of the typhoon No.18, but I dare say "Good Day and Good Luck".

asacomm

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

I have heard storys (not so much with banans) People will mist their seeds with a Chemical. Most of the seeds will not bloom. But the ones that do will make a Second gen of a much better plant. Maybe if the corms graft, it will at lease cause some type of mutation. If you enjoy what you are doing I always suggest you keep doing it.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

.....Ok....... I have seen the videos. AWESOME....
I am convinced there is something in the water in your area. You are good....
Thank you....Your the real deal in the area.:08:
Keep it up.
I want to know what was in the sauce that you dipped the wild boar in.....
From the look on your face it was good.....
Sorry my Spanish is not that refined........I did not understand what you said.

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

Thank you for your comments and also taking your time to watch my videos Cincinnana. The sauce I made for the wild boar roasted meat was Rangpur Lemon juice, with a little bit of salt and and red hot pepper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangpur_(fruit) I learned this sauce recipe to eat pork in Hanoi, Vietnam. We use the Rangpur lemon in Brazil as stock for grafting all kinds of citrus fruits because it is very strong and grows fast. I think you will be able to grow it in your area since it is amazingly cold resistant. If you plant this lemon from seeds it will take about 4~5 years to bear fruits while other lemons will take about 9 years. If you want seeds I can mail them to you. The Vietnamese people also use the leaves as seasoning to cook many dishes. Since gardening is my passion I will keep on growing all kinds of plants in my area, just like you. Once again, thank you and Best Wishes, Mauro
P.S. I think you are a fantastic Green Thumb!

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

New video of Basjoo fruits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IM4RPXNHb0

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

bump

Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
 

One heck of a bump here !