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PR-Giants 07-07-2015 12:44 PM

Clean Coarse Sand
 
The blocks and rock both protect the moisture at the surface under them and the roots will seek out that area.

Keys : air, temperature, and moisture.







DEFINITION IMPORTANT

First of all, clean sand, as described by soil scientists through a sieve analysis, is a soil texture composed by weight of at least 25 percent very coarse, coarse and medium sand varying in size from 2.0 to 0.25 mm (millimeters), less than 50 percent of fine or very fine sand ranging in size between 0.25 and 0.05 mm, and no more than 10 percent of particles smaller than 0.05 mm. This is technical, but is the definition soil scientists use to describe clean sand.

A sieve analysis is not really needed on the job, as the fruit jar test is a simple way for both the installer and the inspector to test the quality of the sand. Clean sand can easily be determined by placing exactly 2 inches of the sand in the bottom of a quart fruit jar. Then fill the jar three-fourths full of water. Place the cover on the jar and shake the contents vigorously.

Clean Sand Explained

a.hulva@coxinet.net 07-08-2015 09:17 PM

Another testimony for using COARSE SAND
 
This picture is of a A'eaA'e?/Maninii that I bought from PR. It was planted in Coarse sand on June 23rd. It had no growth and no roots when planted. This picture was taken July 7th. The first leaf is showing nicely. I use Humalfalfa only on starter plants, and Humalfalfa and a commercial fertilize on more mature ones. It necessary to fertilize after a week or so when using pure sand. I am a believer!!! You can believe it or not.:goteam::bananas_b

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I screwed up on getting picture shown. Hope to have soon.

PR-Giants 07-08-2015 09:36 PM

Re: Another testimony for using COARSE SAND
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by a.hulva@coxinet.net (Post 261622)
This picture is of an A'ea'e/Manini that I bought from PR. It was planted in Coarse sand on June 25th. It had no growth and no roots when planted. This picture was taken July 7th. The first leaf is showing nicely. I use Humalfalfa only on starter plants, and Humalfalfa and a commercial fertilize on more mature ones. It necessary to fertilize after a week or so when using pure sand. I am a believer!!! You can believe it or not.:goteam::bananas_b



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PR-Giants 07-14-2015 10:18 AM

Re: Another testimony for using COARSE SAND
 
Beautiful photo, Congrats Al :08:

Quote:

Originally Posted by a.hulva@coxinet.net (Post 261622)

18 Days - July 13



Kevin2685 07-14-2015 10:50 AM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Looking good Al.

Mark Dragt 03-30-2016 09:41 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
After having some of my corms rot away during the winter, all my banana plants will be planted in clean course sand. I will post picts of the process as time permits.

JP 03-31-2016 11:16 AM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
I always use a mix containing at least 50% coarse sand. Since I started doing that, my plants do great.

cincinnana 03-31-2016 08:41 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 284607)
I always use a mix containing at least 50% coarse sand. Since I started doing that, my plants do great.

I thought all your posts said 40% why 50% at this post .....???

Locally, sand is not used as a soil amendment in the horticultural community.
Mainly anything high in organic matter is used for our soil...but everyones is different.

But....... in some instances it is used....but not for Musa.
Soils are more organic than sand or fillers for Musa.
This is local in zone 5-6-7.

Mark Dragt 03-31-2016 10:58 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Myself, I am going to use the sand as a French drain around my corms. My soil drains well, but it is overloaded with organics. So it also holds quite a bit of moisture. So say I have a 3 inch corm. I will probably dig a 7-8 inch hole, and as deep. Then plant the corm surrounded by about 2 inches of sand, bottom and sides. This will allow the water to drain away from the corm. Sometimes in the spring and fall it will rain for several weeks straight. During that time it is not warm out. Just trying to move the water away from the corm.

Mark Dragt 03-31-2016 11:08 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana (Post 284616)
I thought all your posts said 40% why 50% at this post .....???

Locally, sand is not used as a soil amendment in the horticultural community.

But....... in some instances it is used....but not for Musa.
Soils are more organic than sand or fillers for Musa.
This is local in zone 5-6-7.

I think from time time everyone tweeke their soil mix.

I am sure you get some cold rainy spells. How do you keep your corms from rotting.

JP 04-01-2016 05:52 AM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana (Post 284616)
I thought all your posts said 40% why 50% at this post .....???

Locally, sand is not used as a soil amendment in the horticultural community.

But....... in some instances it is used....but not for Musa.
Soils are more organic than sand or fillers for Musa.
This is local in zone 5-6-7.

My posts usually say at least 40-50% coarse sand. It's possible that I might have occasionnally have said at least 40% but at that point I don't think it'll make a big difference. I do my mixes by the eye. Everything is approximatly mesured and adjusted when mixing.
As long as the horticultural community, I think everybody should consider coarse sand. It works well for me. I grow in containers and the usual mixes give me bad results and I loose plants with them. Everything I plant is planted with my recipe and it works. I have several nanners and fig trees, few cactus, rose apple, a few murraya koenijii, pineapples, tamarind and mandevillas. With the climate we have, the plants spend a lot of time inside my house under fluorescent tubes. I find my mix very forgiving when you overwater. I even put 3\4 inch gravel at the bottom of my pots. It drains and gives weight in case of windy days.

subsonicdrone 04-01-2016 10:52 AM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
i watched a documentary on sand recently
round fine sand is wind blown and sand desirable for cement is coarse
apparently entire beaches are disappearing due to offshore sand dredging
and even carried away by bucket from shore
i spend a lot of time at the beach so i was really digging that doc

gmichael403 04-01-2016 07:46 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Is there a particular brand of coarse sand that is recommended from a big box store? Ive seen bags that state washed all purpose/coarse sand but it does not seem very coarse..still seems to be pretty fine compared to some pics I see of corms potted in this media. Perhaps the pics make the sand appear to be larger granuals than what they really are.

JP 04-01-2016 08:13 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
All purpose should be fine.

gmichael403 04-01-2016 08:21 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Great..thanks!

Mark Dragt 04-01-2016 08:35 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmichael403 (Post 284626)
Is there a particular brand of coarse sand that is recommended from a big box store? Ive seen bags that state washed all purpose/coarse sand but it does not seem very coarse..still seems to be pretty fine compared to some pics I see of corms potted in this media. Perhaps the pics make the sand appear to be larger granuals than what they really are.

I am making my own, so brand I do not know. Just do the jar test with it. If it doesn't pass the jar test, you can still sift more of the fines out.

bananimal 04-01-2016 10:11 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana (Post 284616)
I thought all your posts said 40% why 50% at this post .....???

Locally, sand is not used as a soil amendment in the horticultural community.

But....... in some instances it is used....but not for Musa.
Soils are more organic than sand or fillers for Musa.
This is local in zone 5-6-7.

Hey guy ---- when are you coming on down again? Last year I hooked up with a organic grower in Palm City - right on the Martin Hwy. He has naners from Keith growing like gangbusters. Morado, ARH, Patupi, Tigua and Williams, etc, all growing fast with all that manure and stuff. Drop me a PM.

Dan the Bananamal

Juicy Bananas 04-01-2016 11:11 PM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
I was curious as to how well the sand holds nutrients? I notice you are using bio-char as well. Do you get a lot of rain where you are? I seem to have similar growth rates with cleaned corms in a home made media.

PR-Giants 04-02-2016 08:25 AM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana (Post 284616)

Locally, sand is not used as a soil amendment in the horticultural community.

But....... in some instances it is used....but not for Musa.
Soils are more organic than sand or fillers for Musa.
This is local in zone 5-6-7.

The Niche Nursery: Coarse Sand is Horticultural Gold.

Propagating sand, horticultural sand, sharp sand, quartz sand & coarse sand are all interchangeable terms that describe the subject material.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 28969)
The suggestion to add peat and sand is good. Rinse the sand before you use it to remove any salts, and beware that products sold as "playground sand" often contain herbicides and pesticides. If you can find paver pack base (step 1) that is labeled "sharp sand", that is ideal and often inexpensive by the bag or in bulk.


PR-Giants 04-02-2016 08:32 AM

Re: Clean Coarse Sand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal (Post 284633)
Hey guy ---- when are you coming on down again? Last year I hooked up with a organic grower in Palm City - right on the Martin Hwy. He has naners from Keith growing like gangbusters. Morado, ARH, Patupi, Tigua and Williams, etc, all growing fast with all that manure and stuff. Drop me a PM.

Dan the Bananamal

Hey Bananamal ---- there's also a member in Port St Lucie growing the Morado, Goldfinger, French Red, Tigua, and a few more.

Are you still dealing with that damp off rotting problem you had for like 8 years in that highly amended sugar sand soil?


Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana (Post 284328)

Of the mats I have seen in Florida all of them are in amended sugar sand soil (the local consistency) .
These were mature mats with pups, in the ground.
The amendments are high in organic matter. The growers grew this plant just as they did the other plants they had.



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