Blue Java - Page 2

BobbyC · 10-16-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Most of the Ice Creams on the mainland US are not the real thing. There are a few places and people that have the real one. San Diego Botanical Gardens has the real deal.

Do you or any one know if the ones from the "Caribbean Dreams" nursery are legit blue java. My favorite nursery carries alot of there stuff. Looking at getting a dwarf mango from them

caliboy1994 · 10-17-2012, 01:24 AM

If their plants are tissue cultures originally obtained from AgriStarts (which is the case with pretty much all wholesale nurseries), then it would be Namwah, not the actual Ice Cream.

BobbyC · 10-17-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by caliboy1994

If their plants are tissue cultures originally obtained from AgriStarts (which is the case with pretty much all wholesale nurseries), then it would be Namwah, not the actual Ice Cream.

So I actually researched this. I called Agristarts and then there supplier at a wholesale nursery supplier specializing in bananas in South Florida. The lady I spoke with there stated that they are in fact blue java's and that the variation you see in the plants is due to the plants being in a myriad of different conditions. Soils, nutrients, temperatures etc. Makes sense. What do you think?

caliboy1994 · 10-17-2012, 08:34 PM

The whole deal with AgriStarts is due to a mislabeling of tissue cultures. There was somehow a mix-up a few years back, and now what AgriStarts is selling as Blue Java is actually Namwah. The two plants are indistinguishable as tissue cultures. Namwah is a great plant, possibly better than the actual Blue Java, so you might as well give it a shot. You won't know for sure until it flowers anyways.

And while soil conditions and abiotic factors do affect the physical characteristics of the plant and its growth, what variety the plant is has to do with its DNA. No matter what the growing conditions are, a plant of the same variety will always produce the same fruit, and will able to be identified based on the characteristics of the flowers and male bud.

robguz24 · 10-17-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyC

So I actually researched this. I called Agristarts and then there supplier at a wholesale nursery supplier specializing in bananas in South Florida. The lady I spoke with there stated that they are in fact blue java's and that the variation you see in the plants is due to the plants being in a myriad of different conditions. Soils, nutrients, temperatures etc. Makes sense. What do you think?

That's good that you looked into it. So this variation just happens to be that everywhere they're grown they look and taste like dwarf namwahs? The two fruit are so totally different in taste, shape, peel color, and texture that there is no way this could be a variation issue.

BobbyC · 10-17-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by robguz24

That's good that you looked into it. So this variation just happens to be that everywhere they're grown they look and taste like dwarf namwahs? The two fruit are so totally different in taste, shape, peel color, and texture that there is no way this could be a variation issue.

The thanks is for the sarcasm. But you are probably right if that is the case. Man that is pretty bogus that they are selling improperly marked merchandise. Somebody should put a stop to it. But "it is what it is" and that is why we have forum like this in order to clear stuff like that up and get the word out.

GGamboa87 · 10-21-2012, 07:03 PM

so......

Anyone know where I can get real blue javas?

pushak513 · 10-21-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GGamboa87

so......

Anyone know where I can get real blue javas?

x2

BobbyC · 10-21-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pushak513

x2

X3!!!

Abnshrek · 10-21-2012, 09:57 PM

I say if you buy a Banana tagged Blue Java / Ice Cream.. as long as it doesn't end up being an Orinoco or a cavendish its all good. :^)

caliboy1994 · 10-21-2012, 09:58 PM

San Diego Botanical Gardens has it.

GGamboa87 · 10-21-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by caliboy1994

San Diego Botanical Gardens has it.

it doesn't let me purchase anything

BobbyC · 10-21-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pushak513

x2

X3!!!

GGamboa87 · 10-21-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

I have a true blue Java and it stays in a pot. Grows too tall and winds are a problem here. Got it from Wormfarmer and saw it full size and the fruit. Will auction it off one day.

if your true blue java is giving you problems, I can take them off your hands

robguz24 · 10-23-2012, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyC

The thanks is for the sarcasm. But you are probably right if that is the case. Man that is pretty bogus that they are selling improperly marked merchandise. Somebody should put a stop to it. But "it is what it is" and that is why we have forum like this in order to clear stuff like that up and get the word out.

Please know the sarcasm is directed at their response and not to you in any way. I'm actually very appreciative that you looked into it and got a response from them as it's clear that someone need to do that. I apologize if my sarcasm towards Agristarts minimized my appreciation of your efforts!

venturabananas · 10-24-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GGamboa87

it doesn't let me purchase anything

Yes, San Diego Botanical Gardens (Quail Gardens) doesn't sell their plants.

BobbyC · 10-25-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by robguz24

Please know the sarcasm is directed at their response and not to you in any way. I'm actually very appreciative that you looked into it and got a response from them as it's clear that someone need to do that. I apologize if my sarcasm towards Agristarts minimized my appreciation of your efforts!

Btw your garden is awesome

cheson74 · 10-26-2012, 01:06 PM

I just cut down 6 ice cream pups this week. What started off as one 3 foot pup turned into 9-10 monsters in 10 months.

I'll probably dig up the whole matt after the fruit ripens. The fruit doesn't taste that great and it pups way too much.

bananimal · 10-26-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cheson74

I just cut down 6 ice cream pups this week. What started off as one 3 foot pup turned into 9-10 monsters in 10 months.

I'll probably dig up the whole matt after the fruit ripens. The fruit doesn't taste that great and it pups way too much.

Try dwarf namwah. Another mega-pupper. At least it tastes good. And its a true dwarf.

cheson74 · 10-26-2012, 07:25 PM

I have 2 dwarf namwahs. One should fruit in a month or so. Also have a Mysore. I hear the Mysore fruit tastes pretty good too.

10-17-2012, 01:24 AM	#22 (permalink)
caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 250,911 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Blue Java If their plants are tissue cultures originally obtained from AgriStarts (which is the case with pretty much all wholesale nurseries), then it would be Namwah, not the actual Ice Cream. __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

10-17-2012, 08:34 PM	#24 (permalink)
caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 250,911 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Blue Java The whole deal with AgriStarts is due to a mislabeling of tissue cultures. There was somehow a mix-up a few years back, and now what AgriStarts is selling as Blue Java is actually Namwah. The two plants are indistinguishable as tissue cultures. Namwah is a great plant, possibly better than the actual Blue Java, so you might as well give it a shot. You won't know for sure until it flowers anyways. And while soil conditions and abiotic factors do affect the physical characteristics of the plant and its growth, what variety the plant is has to do with its DNA. No matter what the growing conditions are, a plant of the same variety will always produce the same fruit, and will able to be identified based on the characteristics of the flowers and male bud. __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

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10-21-2012, 09:58 PM	#31 (permalink)
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10-26-2012, 01:06 PM	#38 (permalink)
cheson74 Aloha cheson74's Photo Gallery Location: Oahu, Hawaii Zone: 12a Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 341 BananaBucks : 55,801 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 254 Times Was Thanked 491 Times in 145 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 7 Times	Re: Blue Java I just cut down 6 ice cream pups this week. What started off as one 3 foot pup turned into 9-10 monsters in 10 months. I'll probably dig up the whole matt after the fruit ripens. The fruit doesn't taste that great and it pups way too much. __________________

10-26-2012, 07:25 PM	#40 (permalink)
cheson74 Aloha cheson74's Photo Gallery Location: Oahu, Hawaii Zone: 12a Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 341 BananaBucks : 55,801 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 254 Times Was Thanked 491 Times in 145 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 7 Times	Re: Blue Java I have 2 dwarf namwahs. One should fruit in a month or so. Also have a Mysore. I hear the Mysore fruit tastes pretty good too. __________________

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