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PR-Giants 06-10-2014 07:07 AM

Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 


Quote:

Originally Posted by raygrogan (Post 246090)
(See also discussions on tools like Dan the bananimal's Pitango bar with foot assist.)



I doubt there are many Hawaiian growers foolish enough to use the "Butchers Bar" to remove pups -

But Just In Case

Impaling a banana corm with a thick metal wedge causes tissue damage to the mother and pups. This excessive tissue damage results in a larger amount of fluid and corm tissue loss and also a longer recovery time for the plant.

This extra fluid loss, corm rot, and extended recovery time helps to increase your chances of attracting the
Banana Corm Weevil.

The BCW is not your friend,
it senses the corm fluid like a
Shark senses "blood in the water".



Funkthulhu 06-10-2014 09:21 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
1. mock intelligence of those who do this thing
2. describe what happens when you cut any plant
2a. it's worse if the tool is dull
3. detail possible negative outcome

4. do not provide alternative solution

PR-Giants 06-10-2014 09:27 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funkthulhu (Post 246538)
1. mock intelligence of those who do this thing
2. describe what happens when you cut any plant
2a. it's worse if the tool is dull
3. detail possible negative outcome

4. do not provide alternative solution

:woohoonaner:

Solution is simple, once you acknowledge the problem.

sal 06-10-2014 09:39 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
So what is the proper way of removing pups?

I use a shovel or trowel. I try to cut the corm in a way to give the pup enough roots to survive.

Abnshrek 06-10-2014 09:47 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
a Post-Hole Digger?

What if the pup is to big for the post-hole digger?

(Remember this is for where Banana Corm Weevil's live, like in Hawaii..)

merce3 06-10-2014 10:46 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
someone on the forum recommended using a spade the other day... apparently it's better than using a standard shovel. seems sharper anyway.

sunfish 06-10-2014 12:18 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
If the butcher bar wedge is too thick should something with a thinner blade be used ?

verndoc50 06-10-2014 07:12 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
The most common problem (poor survival) is probably a result of separating the pups too soon. IFAS here in Florida (at University of FL) says it's best to wait until sword suckers have reached about 4' height. By then they will have enough roots of their own that they will survive with just a corner of the corm coming with them. This also reduces the damage to the corm. I use a pointed shovel most of the time, sometimes resort to the digging bar when thinning and survival isn't as critical.

Happy planting!

Abnshrek 06-10-2014 07:27 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfish (Post 246555)
If the butcher bar wedge is too thick should something with a thinner blade be used ?

One w/ 1/4' steel does well w/ cutting, but bends readily unlike the digging bar aka "Butchers Bar"..

austinl01 06-10-2014 07:56 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
I like my butcher bar.

sunfish 06-10-2014 09:01 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
I don't like the butcher bar

austinl01 06-10-2014 09:13 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
What's the best tool to use? Basjoo is nicely divided with the butcher bar. However, for Velutina, I would use a more delicate tool.

sunfish 06-10-2014 09:41 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Guess it all depends on soil type

bananimal 06-10-2014 11:42 PM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
I love my pup cutter/remover. Try and remove a Pisang Klotek 6 ft pup without it. PK runs very deep and the roots are thick and tough. And no corm weevils in this neck of the woods.


PR-Giants 06-11-2014 09:24 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal (Post 246611)
Try and remove a Pisang Klotek 6 ft pup without it. PK runs very deep and the roots are thick and tough.

Dan have you tried using both hands to remove a 6 ft Pisang Klotek pup?


austinl01 06-11-2014 09:26 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
How did you remove that pup, PR?

PR-Giants 06-11-2014 09:27 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 246545)
a Post-Hole Digger?

What if the pup is to big for the post-hole digger?

(Remember this is for where Banana Corm Weevil's live, like in Hawaii..)

What would you consider too big? This 14 footer wasn't too big. :ha:







PR-Giants 06-11-2014 09:46 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl01 (Post 246623)
How did you remove that pup, PR?


Divorced post hole digger


It's easy and makes a nice clean cut.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants (Post 236910)
I use many different tools for removing pups.

This is a half of a post hole digger and is handy for removing small to medium size pups very quickly.













PR-Giants 06-11-2014 09:55 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek (Post 246598)
One w/ 1/4' steel does well w/ cutting, but bends readily unlike the digging bar aka "Butchers Bar"..

WoW, at first I thought this was only just "plant abuse" by impaling the corm with the
thick wedged butchers bar but now it appears you've advanced to torturing your bananas.

Are you really using the thick wedged butchers bar which has a
very small surface area
as a pry bar, inflicting even more damage?

:woohoonaner:

Well at least it's better than using explosives. :ha:

Abnshrek 06-11-2014 10:16 AM

Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants (Post 246627)
WoW, at first I thought this was only just "plant abuse" by impaling the corm with the thick wedged butchers bar but now it appears you've advanced to torturing your bananas.
Are you really using the thick wedged butchers bar which has a
very small surface area
as a pry bar, inflicting even more damage?

I torcher my Banana's to grow faster is all.. The bend occurs above ground..
At 1st I thought this was about corm weavils, but I see this is more of a Plee for a Corm Reform Forum.. I say save the roots.. :^)


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