Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar"

PR-Giants · 06-10-2014, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raygrogan

(See also discussions on tools like Dan the bananimal's Pitango bar with foot assist.)

I doubt there are many Hawaiian growers foolish enough to use the "Butchers Bar" to remove pups -

But Just In Case

Impaling a banana corm with a thick metal wedge causes tissue damage to the mother and pups. This excessive tissue damage results in a larger amount of fluid and corm tissue loss and also a longer recovery time for the plant.

This extra fluid loss, corm rot, and extended recovery time helps to increase your chances of attracting the
Banana Corm Weevil.

The BCW is not your friend,
it senses the corm fluid like a
Shark senses "blood in the water".

Funkthulhu · 06-10-2014, 09:21 AM

1. mock intelligence of those who do this thing
2. describe what happens when you cut any plant
2a. it's worse if the tool is dull
3. detail possible negative outcome

4. do not provide alternative solution

PR-Giants · 06-10-2014, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funkthulhu

1. mock intelligence of those who do this thing
2. describe what happens when you cut any plant
2a. it's worse if the tool is dull
3. detail possible negative outcome

4. do not provide alternative solution

Solution is simple, once you acknowledge the problem.

sal · 06-10-2014, 09:39 AM

So what is the proper way of removing pups?

I use a shovel or trowel. I try to cut the corm in a way to give the pup enough roots to survive.

Abnshrek · 06-10-2014, 09:47 AM

a Post-Hole Digger?

What if the pup is to big for the post-hole digger?

(Remember this is for where Banana Corm Weevil's live, like in Hawaii..)

merce3 · 06-10-2014, 10:46 AM

someone on the forum recommended using a spade the other day... apparently it's better than using a standard shovel. seems sharper anyway.

sunfish · 06-10-2014, 12:18 PM

If the butcher bar wedge is too thick should something with a thinner blade be used ?

verndoc50 · 06-10-2014, 07:12 PM

The most common problem (poor survival) is probably a result of separating the pups too soon. IFAS here in Florida (at University of FL) says it's best to wait until sword suckers have reached about 4' height. By then they will have enough roots of their own that they will survive with just a corner of the corm coming with them. This also reduces the damage to the corm. I use a pointed shovel most of the time, sometimes resort to the digging bar when thinning and survival isn't as critical.

Happy planting!

Abnshrek · 06-10-2014, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfish

If the butcher bar wedge is too thick should something with a thinner blade be used ?

One w/ 1/4' steel does well w/ cutting, but bends readily unlike the digging bar aka "Butchers Bar"..

austinl01 · 06-10-2014, 07:56 PM

I like my butcher bar.

sunfish · 06-10-2014, 09:01 PM

I don't like the butcher bar

austinl01 · 06-10-2014, 09:13 PM

What's the best tool to use? Basjoo is nicely divided with the butcher bar. However, for Velutina, I would use a more delicate tool.

sunfish · 06-10-2014, 09:41 PM

Guess it all depends on soil type

bananimal · 06-10-2014, 11:42 PM

I love my pup cutter/remover. Try and remove a Pisang Klotek 6 ft pup without it. PK runs very deep and the roots are thick and tough. And no corm weevils in this neck of the woods.

PR-Giants · 06-11-2014, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal

Try and remove a Pisang Klotek 6 ft pup without it. PK runs very deep and the roots are thick and tough.

Dan have you tried using both hands to remove a 6 ft Pisang Klotek pup?

austinl01 · 06-11-2014, 09:26 AM

How did you remove that pup, PR?

PR-Giants · 06-11-2014, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek

a Post-Hole Digger?

What if the pup is to big for the post-hole digger?

(Remember this is for where Banana Corm Weevil's live, like in Hawaii..)

What would you consider too big? This 14 footer wasn't too big.

PR-Giants · 06-11-2014, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinl01

How did you remove that pup, PR?

Divorced post hole digger

It's easy and makes a nice clean cut.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants

I use many different tools for removing pups.

This is a half of a post hole digger and is handy for removing small to medium size pups very quickly.

PR-Giants · 06-11-2014, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnshrek

One w/ 1/4' steel does well w/ cutting, but bends readily unlike the digging bar aka "Butchers Bar"..

WoW, at first I thought this was only just "plant abuse" by impaling the corm with the
thick wedged butchers bar but now it appears you've advanced to torturing your bananas.

Are you really using the thick wedged butchers bar which has a
very small surface area
as a pry bar, inflicting even more damage?

Well at least it's better than using explosives.

Abnshrek · 06-11-2014, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants

WoW, at first I thought this was only just "plant abuse" by impaling the corm with the thick wedged butchers bar but now it appears you've advanced to torturing your bananas.
Are you really using the thick wedged butchers bar which has a
very small surface area
as a pry bar, inflicting even more damage?

I torcher my Banana's to grow faster is all.. The bend occurs above ground..
At 1st I thought this was about corm weavils, but I see this is more of a Plee for a Corm Reform Forum.. I say save the roots.. :^)

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verndoc50 Location: Florida Zone: 10b Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 115 BananaBucks : 11,015 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 77 Times Was Thanked 109 Times in 58 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 123 Times	Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar" The most common problem (poor survival) is probably a result of separating the pups too soon. IFAS here in Florida (at University of FL) says it's best to wait until sword suckers have reached about 4' height. By then they will have enough roots of their own that they will survive with just a corner of the corm coming with them. This also reduces the damage to the corm. I use a pointed shovel most of the time, sometimes resort to the digging bar when thinning and survival isn't as critical. Happy planting!

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austinl01 Got pink bananas? austinl01's Photo Gallery Location: Little Rock, AR Find me on the map! Zone: 7b/8a Line Name: Austin Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,288 BananaBucks : 273,504 Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,590 Times Was Thanked 908 Times in 398 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 507 Times	Re: Attention: HAWAIIAN GROWERS using the "Butchers Bar" I like my butcher bar. __________________ Austin Arkansas River Valley Average January Low: 31°F, Average August High: 92°F Extreme Winter Lows: 5-15°F, Extreme Summer Highs: 100-112°F, Annual Precipitation: 52 inches

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