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this is my third year playing with bananas and I know the first year I wanted pics of other people stuff
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the one in the foreground was just cut off a few hours ago
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I cut one off about 4" above ground. Piled on bark mulch and straw but did not cover with tarp. Uncovered couple of days ago and found mush. Don't know about corm yet but it may be toast. I believe just trying to protect from freezing is not the only issue. Keeping dry must be just as important. I'm glad this one was just an experiment. I have several varieties that I did cover with a tarp that are fine.
That's a good point, because the ones I covered in sawdust did stay wet. They're okay, mind you, but a little mushy on the outside. I'll do the same this coming winter, but I will cover them with plastic to keep the dry as well.
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That's a good point, because the ones I covered in sawdust did stay wet. They're okay, mind you, but a little mushy on the outside. I'll do the same this coming winter, but I will cover them with plastic to keep the dry as well.
I think keeping dry is probably particularly important in places where you get a lot of weather hovering around the freezing point, thus freeze/thaw cycles
I also have some elephant ears that never made it with just mulch but add a tarp and they seem to do much better
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Hi Drobbins,

Can we get an update on your Basjoo? I live on the border of 7 & 8 too and just planted my Basjoo this year. They are about 4-5 feet now. I've been searching for zone 7 & 8 wintering info and your post is the only thing I could find.

Also, I have a few friends in our exact zone who do not cut their P-stems at all and they say they come back with no problem and even fruit. Can you shed any light on this?

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Can we get an update on your Basjoo? I live on the border of 7 & 8 too and just planted my Basjoo this year. They are about 4-5 feet now. I've been searching for zone 7 & 8 wintering info and your post is the only thing I could find.

Also, I have a few friends in our exact zone who do not cut their P-stems at all and they say they come back with no problem and even fruit. Can you shed any light on this?

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Yeah, if the winter isn't overly harsh and the P-stem is as big as your arm or more, I've seen them die back and leave 5-7 feet if it's really thick. Last year, I saw one that was only 5 feet tall produce fingers before the second frost took it out.
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Also, I have a few friends in our exact zone who do not cut their P-stems at all and they say they come back with no problem and even fruit. Can you shed any light on this?

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A few lumens or so...
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Hi Folks,

Haven't been reading the forums lately, the weather's too nice outside.
I overwintered 4 mats of basjoo, 2 were on the north side of the house where it's always a little shady, the other 2 were at the edge of the yard by woods so they don't really get full sun either. The ones by the house get taken a little better care of. I cut the pstems off about 3 feet tall last fall, threw some leaves a neighbor had raked up and left by the curb on them for mulch and covered them with a tarp.The ones by the woods I put some mulch on but that's all.
They all survived but the ones by the house are much bigger now, probably over 15 feet tall. The other ones are about 5 feet. Hard for me to believe the difference is only how I overwintered them. The ones by the house probably get pampered a little more with water and fertilizer. They also may get some more sun.

An interesting note: my wife knows someone in Memphis Tenn with basjoo. Their climate zone is about the same as here. They had one bloom back the second week of June. That simply blows me away, I've never had a bloom.

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From ground level
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Great looking Basjoos! Your deck and where you planted them near your deck almost looks identical to mine! Crazy!

I've been hearing more and more about people in our zone(7b & 8a border) that don't mulch them at all and the Basjoo survives just fine were they left off from the previous year.
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Hey DR-

What kind of bamboo is that? Does it stay sparse or take over?
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it's called Vivax and you should run from it as fast as you can or it will catch you
They raise it for lumber in Japan.
It took it a while to get going but now it will shoot up runners 1-1/2" in diameter 35 feet from the nearest shoot. I'm afraid it might actually damage the foundation of the house and plan to kill it off
Bananas are much safer
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I've been hearing more and more about people in our zone(7b & 8a border) that don't mulch them at all and the Basjoo survives just fine were they left off from the previous year.
I don't really think you need mulch once you get them established.
I use it mainly because it makes free compost.
I do like the tarp though. I see others around here not use them but I'm sticking with mine, maybe more for those elephant ears you can see than the bananas
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It gives a really nice, jungly feel to the whole area, but my jungle is nowhere big enough to handle it, I reckon.

Right now, I have more grass growing in my driveway than the damned yard, so I can imagine what would happen if I turned that stuff loose next to the driveway. I'd need a 4x4 just to get from the street to the garage.
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I to over wintered several varieties last year and had good results. Lost a couple Basjoo's. Applied mulch with straw and covered with a tarp. When I uncovered the were wet. I never could decide whether they froze or just got too wet. I think the tarp held in too much moisture or not. I would think the tarp would keep out most water but it would may just hold it in. We had a very mild winter no lower than +15 for a day or two. I am going to try a coarser mulch along with some new ideas.
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I to over wintered several varieties last year and had good results. Lost a couple Basjoo's. Applied mulch with straw and covered with a tarp. When I uncovered the were wet. I never could decide whether they froze or just got too wet. I think the tarp held in too much moisture or not. I would think the tarp would keep out most water but it would may just hold it in. We had a very mild winter no lower than +15 for a day or two. I am going to try a coarser mulch along with some new ideas.
I've had some folks that live in zone 7b and 8a tell me they just use the shredded pine mulch(not nuggets) around the base with great success.

Depending on how you had the tarp setup, I'd guess condensation formed most of the days when the sun came out and the ground heated up a little. maybe try having the tarp raised off the ground a little so it can breath but still keep the heavy water out?

I know this has probably been advised/explained a million times on this forum but I'm planning on constructing a cage around the p-stem using rebar and concrete reinforcing wire (this is a sturdier material than chicken wire) if I can find some with the holes small enough to hold mulched leaves. Then add mulched leaves in the cage around the p-stem. This seems easier than making a pvc or wood cage frame in my opinion. Plus, less on an eye sore too.

There is an article I googled here that explains it: Article on Hardy Banana Trees | Musa, Musella, Ensete

From the testimonies I hear of the basjoo growers in my area/zone, I think this should be plenty for the basjoo p-stem to survive in zone 7b or 8a. Some of my friends that grow basjoos near me just leave the p-stems whole and do nothing and they come back every year just about right were they left off. I want to do the cage/mulched leaves method just for an insurance policy for my first winter as i only have 1 pup so far.

I believe it's definitely a trial and error type of thing which works best for someone and their tailored scenario. I'm sure any method will work if you learn the tricks/hacks for that specific method.

I'm far from an experienced banana grower as this will be my first winter with bajoos so I have zero experience with this. I came up with this conclusion just going by all the testimonies I've received from the folks in zone 7b and 8a.

Almost every youtube video I see of people wrapping their basjoos in bubble wrap directly on the p-stem most always come back and say they didn't make it through the winter. It's obvious the p-stem needs to breath to avoid condensation after a rain or from its own heat from the winter sun.

When I get edible varieties, I'll be using a different method I learned about from a good friend on this forum.
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Good information. I like the pine needle idea. Try hardware cloth. It comes in 1/8" to 1/2" square mesh. I was thinking about using ground up styrofoam inside the tube and around the base of the plant. Not sure yet. ???
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I like the pine needle idea.
Pine mulch instead of needles. Not sure if pine needles hold too much heat but breathable for sure.

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I used hardware cloth last year with 1/2" mesh and filled it with chainsaw slash and sawdust. It looked nice and neat, and it worked well.
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I've had some folks that live in zone 7b and 8a tell me they just use the shredded pine mulch(not nuggets) around the base with great success.

Depending on how you had the tarp setup, I'd guess condensation formed most of the days when the sun came out and the ground heated up a little. maybe try having the tarp raised off the ground a little so it can breath but still keep the heavy water out?

I know this has probably been advised/explained a million times on this forum but I'm planning on constructing a cage around the p-stem using rebar and concrete reinforcing wire (this is a sturdier material than chicken wire) if I can find some with the holes small enough to hold mulched leaves. Then add mulched leaves in the cage around the p-stem. This seems easier than making a pvc or wood cage frame in my opinion. Plus, less on an eye sore too.

There is an article I googled here that explains it: Article on Hardy Banana Trees | Musa, Musella, Ensete

From the testimonies I hear of the basjoo growers in my area/zone, I think this should be plenty for the basjoo p-stem to survive in zone 7b or 8a. Some of my friends that grow basjoos near me just leave the p-stems whole and do nothing and they come back every year just about right were they left off. I want to do the cage/mulched leaves method just for an insurance policy for my first winter as i only have 1 pup so far.

I believe it's definitely a trial and error type of thing which works best for someone and their tailored scenario. I'm sure any method will work if you learn the tricks/hacks for that specific method.

I'm far from an experienced banana grower as this will be my first winter with bajoos so I have zero experience with this. I came up with this conclusion just going by all the testimonies I've received from the folks in zone 7b and 8a.

Almost every youtube video I see of people wrapping their basjoos in bubble wrap directly on the p-stem most always come back and say they didn't make it through the winter. It's obvious the p-stem needs to breath to avoid condensation after a rain or from its own heat from the winter sun.

When I get edible varieties, I'll be using a different method I learned about from a good friend on this forum.
Yeah, that's what I did last year... just covered the p-stem w/bubble wrap, and it didn't make it. I checked throughout the winter and it seemed like around late March when I noticed it felt all squishy and flopped over. Anyway, I did get pups growing up in May, but at this point, they're only about 3' tall, having grown from nothing. Still impressive that overall, it survived in Denver.

So I have a new one this year, (planted right next to the old one) and it's doing great. I'm thinking of wrapping this one in insulation, then plastic. I think that's what I saw on this site. I do have tomato cages... I could add one of those for strength. I really wan to have the p-stem survive so I get more height next year.
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Denver is dry, I am surprised you had moisture problems.
Anyway, I think, from everything I have heard, if you get a good strong plant before frost, you should be able to use a layer of mulch around the base and not even worry about the pstem. Also, since moisture is the biggest killer, I would make certain I have plenty of sand in the hole before planting. I look to nature to get an idea what keeps them alive in the wild. Apparently it's simply the natural mulch on the forest floor and the protective wrapping of dead banana leaves hanging around the pstem.
I could be wrong, and thankfully, I don't live in the cold north anymore so I can't try it out, but this is my theory.
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