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Old 07-09-2009, 06:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
 
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If I can find one. I have found two other Indian banana though that are suppose to be from the same region I might try to see how they do. they are Lal Kela and the Pisang Ceylon.

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Hey cowpoke (wanna call ya Jim but I'd think I was talking to myself) , in my quest for the perfect seed-type nanner, if I run across a Pahari Kela, up for grabs, I'll pm & let ya know. BTW, thanx for the extra info on SW India! Knew the northern coasts of the Adriatic sea were very similar; never gave India much thought, till now!
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If I can find one. I have found two other Indian banana though that are suppose to be from the same region I might try to see how they do. they are Lal Kela and the Pisang Ceylon.

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Pisang Ceylon seems to be an improved Musa 'Mysore'. Resembling with it's hardiness as well.
I haven't heard about Lal Kela, could you elaborate please? The doc says it only has red fruit. But it's hardiness should resemble that of Pahari Kela.

But from this article it seems like if it was the Musa 'Red' we know:
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Hey cowpoke (wanna call ya Jim but I'd think I was talking to myself) , in my quest for the perfect seed-type nanner, if I run across a Pahari Kela, up for grabs, I'll pm & let ya know. BTW, thanx for the extra info on SW India! Knew the northern coasts of the Adriatic sea were very similar; never gave India much thought, till now!
Pahari Kela isn't seeded, it's edible, see the pics in the article... (I will look into flower removal as mentioned here as well)
Pahari Kela and Virupakshi (or Virupaksha) are two different species known in India as "Hill bananas" and thus considered to be the same, yet they differ in stature and fruit (and the article seems to be talking about Virupakshi).
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Guess I should've worded that better; In my quest for seed-nanners, I'll Also be checking out seedless ones, as well. Sorry about that . BTW, saw the pics when I read the thread.
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Guess I should've worded that better; In my quest for seed-nanners, I'll Also be checking out seedless ones, as well. Sorry about that . BTW, saw the pics when I read the thread.
Still I wonder if it is right about that male flower things.
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This is what I was told, when I by mistake said that I would get Virupakshi
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Still I wonder if it is right about that male flower things.
Ya lost me... What "male flower" thing?
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Ya lost me... What "male flower" thing?
The article cowboy sent us, said this:

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Musa spp. Pahari Kela (Hill Banana, Virupaksha). Sacred fruit of Virupaksha temple and ceremonies. Pahari means: of the mountain. Hardy to 25 deg-F. Fruit will have large, hard seeds unless male flowers (pollen) removed from plant and vicinity. Taste is more acidic than Chiquita banana, and has higher moisture content in fruit. Very susceptible to Fusarium wilt, import restrictions. Safely propagated by tissue culture.
I wonder, if I should remove male flowers or this is only the Virupakshi issue.
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The article cowboy sent us, said this:

I wonder, if I should remove male flowers or this is only the Virupakshi issue.
Seeds !! Now ya got my interest, again... in Virupakshi, anyway. Wouldn't want to torture the other with Oklahoma weather But, who knows, might be worth a greenhouse for the Virupakshi.
Didn't have time to read cowboy's article (been busy organizing info for a bamboo project). Think I'll read it, tonight.

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here is another place or two for you Jim
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13th July 2009 - Added some info, weather description and of course progress pics. Enjoy.
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13th to 23rd July 2009 - Added new pictures, weather descriptions for these few days etc...
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They are looking great Jack. I had to wonder about their fate since they didn't look so good upon arrival. Thanks for the update.
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They are looking great Jack. I had to wonder about their fate since they didn't look so good upon arrival. Thanks for the update.
Just as I finished writting the Edit, thunderstorm began. Winds of 70mph and almsot no rain. Just cloudy sky, lots of thunders, bolts... everything but rain. The weather is terrible, when I find the nanas' leaves shredded tomorrow I think I'm gonna seriously think about erecting a anti-hail/wind-damage fence.
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Thanks for the update. So you don't think they'd like the 100F+ temps I had last week, eh???

Too bad on the wind, but make sure your wind screen is sturdy so the wind doesn't topple it over onto your plants.
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Jack I must be missing something can't find the pictures?
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Jim, Jack adds them as an edit to his original post at the top of page 1....
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Thanks for the update. So you don't think they'd like the 100F+ temps I had last week, eh???

Too bad on the wind, but make sure your wind screen is sturdy so the wind doesn't topple it over onto your plants.
Don't think might be too strong now, ey? I doubt they would like it. They like longer periods at 90°F, but anything above 95°F seems to be rather contraproductive. They would start in the night again, but if your night minimums are 86, they won't even get the chance to grow properly...
This temperature issue and the fact that it is more suited to colder summer climates is only good, because it perfectly follows the characteristics given by Dr. Parmar even in a completely different climate.

No windscreen in my garden. No need. It's just a seasonal wind, one of few.
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My summer nights usually range from 58F-72F. It's very rare that we need to use our air conditioning after 9pm.
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My summer nights usually range from 58F-72F. It's very rare that we need to use our air conditioning after 9pm.
Well those are perfect temperatures in the night.
Dunno. I never go above 95°F, which is an extreme here, one or few days only. Some summers yes, we do to 103 or more, but those are historical records...
Btw. Almost everyday teh temps here are above 30°C, yet there's no air-conditioning anywhere.

Btw Harvey, your weather sticker is broken or something... it always shows the strangest temperatures for your region.
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