Hill Banana ("Pahari kela") from India - Page 4

Michael_Andrew · 02-28-2009, 07:45 PM

The more information we get the more convincing it is to me that this Hill Banana is not the Sirumalai or Virupakshi as some have implied. The descriptions are much closer to the M. Malbhog.

chong · 02-28-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael_Andrew

The more information we get the more convincing it is to me that this Hill Banana is not the Sirumalai or Virupakshi as some have implied. The descriptions are much closer to the M. Malbhog.

Another excerpt from the same article mentioned earlier:

"Although pahari kela means “hill banana,” it should not be confused with the variety described that way in some Indian books on fruits. The hill banana that is widely known by that common name is a variety of south India that is also known there by other names such as Virupakshi, Sirumalai and Vazamalai.
Fruits of the pahari kela banana are longer and thicker than common commercial bananas, excepting a few varieties with larger fruits which are found in South India. The pulp is sweet, occasionally with a little tinge of sourness, which actually makes them taste more pleasant. However the fruits of this banana are less dry, or one might say more watery, making them somewhat leathery. Peeled pahari kela fruits are comparatively firm and do not easily break into pieces as do the commercial bananas. Additionally, pahari kela fruit is considered to lay rather heavily in the stomach. One cannot eat four or five of these bananas, something that is possible with the commercial types. For most people, two would normally be the maximum that would be eaten at any one time."

I gotta check on M. Malbhog.

harveyc · 03-01-2009, 12:28 AM

Hey, Chong, you're giving away the whole story! lol

I was lucky and did a 3 year renewal last December, electronic copies only, and later found out that they raised their rates after that.

I think they is certainly worth tryng. We're going to get Scot busy with his TC lab so there's enough for everybody!

Harvey

jasonlotp · 03-02-2009, 04:29 PM

I read the article in CRFG Fruit Gardener and it piqued my interest in growing bananas and I joined this forum. I don't have any currently but would definitely like to get my hands on this type. It sounds like this banana could grow in almost any environment.

Michael_Andrew · 03-02-2009, 04:49 PM

Hi Jason. Welcome to the forum. Well it don't sound even close to being as hardy as a basjoo but it does sound like it could be the most hardy of the edibles.

bigdog · 03-03-2009, 01:57 AM

I'm actually more intrigued by the descriptions of the texture of the fruit than the cold-hardiness! It just sounds so much different from any other banana I've eaten, but I can imagine it in my head. Now I really want to try one! I tend to like the heavier fruits, like Durian, Mango, etc. A heavy banana sounds weird but neat. Sign me up for one!

Frank

chong · 03-03-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

I'm actually more intrigued by the descriptions of the texture of the fruit than the cold-hardiness! It just sounds so much different from any other banana I've eaten, but I can imagine it in my head. Now I really want to try one! I tend to like the heavier fruits, like Durian, Mango, etc. A heavy banana sounds weird but neat. Sign me up for one!

Frank

Try raw (uncooked) Saba. It is probably heavier than Pahari Kela. And it is rated for Zone 8.

Tog Tan · 03-03-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chong

Try raw (uncooked) Saba. It is probably heavier than Pahari Kela. And it is rated for Zone 8.

Chong, I eat quite alot of the Saba, known as Pisang Abu here and there's an even heavier one known as Pisang Nangka (as in Jackfruit) which is more aromatic. These are use basically for frying as they do not break up when cooked. Pisang Abu is the cheapest 'naner here due to its very thick skin (and I thought mine was thick)

chong · 03-03-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tog Tan

Chong, I eat quite alot of the Saba, known as Pisang Abu here and there's an even heavier one known as Pisang Nangka (as in Jackfruit) which is more aromatic. These are use basically for frying as they do not break up when cooked. Pisang Abu is the cheapest 'naner here due to its very thick skin (and I thought mine was thick)

As you indicated, Tog, Saba doesn't break up even when cooked. So more so when uncooked. That is one of the qualities of Pahari Kela, another of which is the heaviness, as described in Dr. Parmar's article. I can probably eat three or four of these is they are cooked. I'm sure to have a tummy ache, were I to eat more than one, if uncooked.

Coastwind · 03-23-2009, 10:41 PM

This banana sounds great!! I think it would do very well in the Bay Area, CA. Can I get in on buying one too?

harveyc · 03-23-2009, 11:32 PM

Welcome Coastwind. What part of the Bay Area are you from? I'm located in the delta, about 15 miles east of Antioch.

You might want to introduce yourself to the gang at Member Introductions, Social Announcements & Good Wishes - Bananas.org.

Hey, Chong, have you contacted Dr. Parmar lately? Please let me know how I may help with the funding of the group purchase. Scot is eager to run them through his lab!

Harvey

Coastwind · 03-23-2009, 11:52 PM

Hi Harvey,

Thanks for the welcoming! I live in San Mateo. I was growing 18 types of bananas at one point, but now have perhaps only 10 types. I love the tropics, bananas, CRFG's, etc. We are very lucky to live here, but having the right cultivars is the best way to success. I am looking forward to hopefully growing one of these. Very cool!!

Jack Daw · 03-25-2009, 12:36 PM

I asked Dr Parmar on how the suckers are doing... he said he would reply to me in a day or so, so I'm waiting

Coastwind · 03-25-2009, 11:44 PM

Many thanks Jack!! Ah the simple pleasures in life...

Coastwind · 03-25-2009, 11:57 PM

Hi Jack,

Which cultivars are you looking for or which do you have? I can take a look as the year progresses to see if I can cut a keiki off of one of my bananas if they come up. They usually do, but I had to move my bananas last Fall in to a less ideal location so I am not as sure the will sprout up as much. Also, what kind of set up do you have to receive the keiki?

Kelcey

Jack Daw · 03-26-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Coastwind

Hi Jack,

Which cultivars are you looking for or which do you have? I can take a look as the year progresses to see if I can cut a keiki off of one of my bananas if they come up. They usually do, but I had to move my bananas last Fall in to a less ideal location so I am not as sure the will sprout up as much. Also, what kind of set up do you have to receive the keiki?

Kelcey

Sent you a pm. Still no information from Dr Parmar

Hopefully he will let me know soon

Jack Daw · 04-19-2009, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw

Sent you a pm. Still no information from Dr Parmar

Hopefully he will let me know soon

So, the money's on its way to Dr. Parmar, in about 2 weeks the "Pahari Kela - Virupakshis" should already be here. I will take pictures as soon as they arrive and post them here. I suppose I will try overwintering 1 or 2 with protection outside (zone 7b - minimal temperatures about -13°C/about 8 or 9°F) and 3 in weak freezing temperatures (-3°C/26°F).
But that will be merely a year from now... Nice spring to all of you.

chong · 04-19-2009, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw

So, the money's on its way to Dr. Parmar, in about 2 weeks the "Pahari Kela - Virupakshis" should already be here. I will take pictures as soon as they arrive and post them here. I suppose I will try overwintering 1 or 2 with protection outside (zone 7b - minimal temperatures about -13°C/about 8 or 9°F) and 3 in weak freezing temperatures (-3°C/26°F).
But that will be merely a year from now... Nice spring to all of you.

Jack,
Are you getting both Pahari Kela AND Virupakshi varieties? Virupakshi is a hill banana also, but they are from South India.

Thanks.

Jack Daw · 04-19-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chong

Jack,
Are you getting both Pahari Kela AND Virupakshi varieties? Virupakshi is a hill banana, also, but they are from South India.

Thanks.

Sorry, my mistake, just 'Pahari Kela', Virupakshi would be too large for me (more than 5m, ey?). I was just reading another article and it somehow got to my mind.

Chironex · 04-19-2009, 10:57 AM

So what's the latest from Dr Parmar, Chong? Are we going to get some too?

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