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Mike_J
11-05-2007, 07:14 AM
:2791: When my cousin finally showed up a last week and I thought or should I say expected to see the 4 plants he promised me. When he pulled up his van and opened the doors to my suprise there were 9. They are all different sizes with trunks from 18 " to 24 " some with 3 to 4 leaves and some with 4-5 leaves. I sold 4 on ebay those people will definatley be happy. I decided to keep all the rest for my self.:2791:
MediaHound
11-05-2007, 10:34 AM
:pics:
Mike_J
11-05-2007, 05:42 PM
:woohoonaner: http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/25682/2758367830079515175S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2758367830079515175macxrj) :woohoonaner:
jnstropic
11-05-2007, 10:23 PM
Those pups are the best that I have seen, fairly large and a lot of them. With the high % of green it will be easier to go through the winter. What's your zone?
Mike_J
11-06-2007, 01:06 AM
I am zone 6. I have a metal halide light indoors to help and my indoor temps stay around 85f. They are all still pushing out middle leaves and I have gotten about 1/2 inch of growth since they have been in my house this week.
klemmthamm
11-07-2007, 01:01 AM
Glad to see you got 'em! They look fantastic.
Regards,
-James-
AnnaJW
11-07-2007, 02:58 AM
Oh - they are beautiful!!!
Trying not to covet my fellow banana grower's plants. :0492:
Dean W.
11-07-2007, 10:55 AM
Nice!!!:bananarow:
valerie@flower
11-07-2007, 03:33 PM
Mike your cousin did you righteous, they are awesome!!!!!!:discocrazed:
harveyc
11-08-2007, 02:42 AM
Hey, Mike, congrats on the boat load of Ae Ae.
I see two of your eBay buyers have already left you positive feedback and I'm happy to see that.
I noticed that your auction included the following statement which I'm curious about:
This year there has been lots of damage to some California suppliers and some southern suppliers in the gulf states which may make the price of the plant in the coming year even higher!
I've talked to several nurseries this year about their Ae Ae and honestly can say that none of them discussed problems. I did read something similar (or identical?) to this stated in someone else's eBay auction a while back. Are you personally aware of any nurseries that had problems? Are you predicting even higher prices in 2008? I just bought two more large Ae Ae pups for $100 each (4' plus) and the nursery didn't seem to have any troubles, so I'm curious about this.
Also, regarding your light system, I'd like seeing a photo, if you can. I'm putting my own light up this week (the rail for the mover got lost for a week and just arrived yesterday). I'd like to see how you have yours set up.
Again, congrats on the Ae Ae "forest"!
Mike_J
11-08-2007, 12:37 PM
Harvey when I was calling around to get info on these there were a few places I called who told me that there was damage to there main plants and it would be some time before they offered pups. Natural selection told me that , cactus ranch told me that and my cousin told me of people who where interested in his older plants because of the damage they received. Another place told me that the place they get them from in hawaii didnt have any because of some fungus infection which I know nothing about.
harveyc
11-08-2007, 02:09 PM
Thanks, Mike. From what I understand, bananas can't be shipped to the mainland anways, but maybe that is just to California. I hear all kinds of stories. One friend in Hawaii told me that he can get Ae Ae for $10 and that they are common. Another friend in Hawaii says that they aren't that common but that he sells them for $50 when he has them. I paid $200 for one nice large one and then $100 each for two that were even larger and thought I got a great deal. They think we're all suckers (and I don't mean "pups")!! LOL
Mustang
11-08-2007, 05:58 PM
And we can't get them at all over here....
harveyc
11-08-2007, 06:03 PM
And we can't get them at all over here....
Sure you can!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1796&cat=500&ppuser=470
Mustang
11-08-2007, 06:54 PM
Mark's was a one-off I'm afraid.
Mark Hall
11-09-2007, 09:38 AM
I am hoping for more though.:2719: it was around this time last year that the others popped up.
Rmplmnz
11-14-2007, 05:28 PM
Thanks, Mike. From what I understand, bananas can't be shipped to the mainland anways, but maybe that is just to California. I hear all kinds of stories. One friend in Hawaii told me that he can get Ae Ae for $10 and that they are common. Another friend in Hawaii says that they aren't that common but that he sells them for $50 when he has them. I paid $200 for one nice large one and then $100 each for two that were even larger and thought I got a great deal. They think we're all suckers (and I don't mean "pups")!! LOL
I have been to Hawaii numerous times and they are not that common and the growers know the value of these rare plants..so no $10 pups...
I think someone posted an article to the forum a while back about stolen Ae Ae's in Maui..
Following is a link:
http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=23228
pedi79
11-20-2007, 02:58 PM
Really nice pups! Congratulations!!!
mfg pedi79
:0497:
saltydad
11-20-2007, 05:25 PM
Those pups are absolutely gorgeous looking! You owe your cousin a nice tall one:nanarobot:
kenboy
11-25-2007, 06:46 PM
If Ae Ae are so rare, why are they not TC'rd ?
klemmthamm
11-25-2007, 07:21 PM
Many attempts to TC it have been made but as far as I know all have failed to produce a varigated ae ae most end up albino or all green... there are some technical reasons why TC can't produce a copy of the ae ae but I don't know enough about it to give you an informed answer.... I think randy4ut knows a little about it though.
-James-
kenboy
11-25-2007, 07:41 PM
Thanks James. I guess I will just have to shell out the bucks.
kenboy
www.vonrussellfarm.com
klemmthamm
11-25-2007, 07:56 PM
No prob :D ... unfortunately until something changes it looks like we will have to keep paying big money for the ae ae. I am waiting for someone with an all green ae ae to sell (or give) and I am going to get it just so I can say I have one :D
-James-
Mike_J
11-25-2007, 08:30 PM
http://www.centralfloridafarms.com/tculture.htm
No one has been able to do it yet.
harveyc
11-26-2007, 12:45 AM
miamimax (which, if I recall correctly, goes by "varig8" here), wrote the following information about Ae Ae on the gardenweb forum at http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg0107082717618.html
Now as for AeAe and variations on sucker coloration and amounts of variegation in them; AeAe is a somatic variegate as opposed to a genetic variegate- (a 'sport'or chimera). Genetic variegates are stable and come true from seed and can easily be tissue cultured. In AeAe the amount of variegation in each plant depends on; #1. How much mutant tissue is in the apical meristem, and #2. Where that mutant tissue is in the apical meristem when a sucker is developing in the corm. This mutant tissue moves and revolves around the apical meristem. Some AeAe have LOTS of white, some have a little with shades of different greens and greys.Some AeAe are completely green. They are ALL still AeAe. When the AeAe produces suckers, they will oftentimes produce pure white suckers, which die right away if removed, or languish while feeding off the mother until it eventually dies. It will also send up some normal green suckers, and then you'll get a few nice evenly proportioned variegated suckers. This is the reason they remain expensive. The better variegated plant you start with, the better chance you have at getting more variegated suckers, as this plant will have more mutant tissue in it's apical meristem.
He also posted on this thread http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg0420263316572.html but I think Frank's (aka "Bigdog") comments were particularly helpful in explaining this (excerpt from Jun 26, 07 post):
There are periclinal, mericlinal, and sectorial arrangements in the apical meristem that can produce variegation. Periclinal arrangements are where a layer of mutated tissue completely surrounds an inner core of nonmutated tissue. Mericlinal arrangements are where cells that carry the mutant gene occupy only a part of the outer cell layer of the plant. Sectorial arrangements is where the mutated tissue involves a sector of the stem but extends all the way from the surface to the center. This type is rare, usually only occuring in an embryo or root tip, and quickly reverts to either periclinal or mericlinal chimeras. I believe that the AeAe fall under the mericlinal category. I'm not really certain what somatic variegation is...although I thought it had something to do with tissue culture. Anyhow, tissue culturing a mericlinal chimera would result in an all-green or all-white plant it would seem, depending on where the tissue was taken on the apical meristem.
Maybe someone can take the time to edit this and post it to the wiki.
klemmthamm
11-26-2007, 02:46 AM
Harvey thank you for posting that... I will add it to the wiki when I get home (computer at work is slooooooooooooow, and I occasionally have to actually work) if someone else beats me to it then that is ok too :D
-James-
harveyc
11-26-2007, 03:41 AM
Thanks, James. My brain is just too tired right now to feel confident I'd get it straight!
klemmthamm
11-26-2007, 07:40 AM
alright... how does this look Harvey? http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_%27Ae_Ae%27#Cultivation
mskitty38583
11-26-2007, 11:10 AM
i love the look of the varigated bananas. that is just the koolest thing ive ever seen!:2236:
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