Greenie, I don't appreciate your argumentative nature. This board is for discussion. Since you apparently know it all I don't know why you are here. Has it ever occurred to you that in a cooler climate the plant may grow different? That is the problem with thinking you know it all. You stop listening and stop learning.
Pitangadiego grows his Manzano in a very similar climate to mine and says he has the same experience. Bencelest grows Manzano in California and says they get to 12-14'. Interstingly I found an old post of yours where you say, "i prefer the manzano.The d. brazilian will will fruit anywhere from 8 to 10 ft while the manzano will hit about 12." I think you need to make up your mind.
Brazilian or Manzano?
Bill