TommyMacLuckie

How fast will these guys grow in good conditions? How fast in moderate conditions?

They will most likely never get to their maturity in a container. Think of plants in containers like fish in a fish tank - they only get as big as their environment lets them. I put a tiny Orinoco pup in a small pot a few years ago and it's never grown above 12" tall.

I'm in climate zone 9b, it never goes below 25F outside, usually stays around 30F at the coldest on winter nights, never goes below 50F on the coldest winter days. In the summer it stays around 85F during the day, but can reach 100F for a few days a year sometimes.

Where are you? California? Your climate zone, if it gets below freezing ever, can mean absolutely nothing if it gets below the lowest temperature for the zone. I'm in 8B and it hardly ever gets as low as the lowest for this zone. However, as the word 'hardly' implies, it has and it's mind blowing what it does to plants (below 26F and the damage is heavy). In fact, it's gotten WAY below the lowest temperature for this place - even in New Orleans - and it was devastating to a majority of plants in the area. Climate zones can be misleading.