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Richard 03-18-2012 06:18 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
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Originally Posted by RobG7aChattTN (Post 189158)
I've heard that Poncirus trifoliata can form fruits in 4 years from seed and that some Grapefruits can take 12 years to fruit. I have some Poncirus trifoliata 'Flying Dragon' that did not fruit (or bloom) after maybe 6 years. I dug them up and then decided not to replant them so who knows when they would have formed fruit.

Yes, you can get a few fruits from Flying Dragon (and other small citrus) in 3 years but it will take longer to get a handful and fruits with the characteristic taste of the plant. I'm surprised to hear of anyone growing Flying Dragon for the fruit. I've yet to hear of anyone who likes to eat them. But go ahead ... surprise me!

Tony (sunfish) makes the excellent point that Flying Dragon is almost exclusively cultivated as a root stock. Certainly if I had Flying Dragon seedlings I'd graft them over with something like Sweet Lemon or something else that benefits from a non-aggressive root stock.

In breeding programs, grapefruit and other large citrus have a 10 year cycle: this is from budset on the host plant to an offspring that is mature enough to produce regular crops and demonstrate the characteristics of interest in the breeding program.

sunfish 03-22-2012 06:47 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 189163)
Yes, you can get a few fruits from Flying Dragon (and other small citrus) in 3 years but it will take longer to get a handful and fruits with the characteristic taste of the plant. I'm surprised to hear of anyone growing Flying Dragon for the fruit. I've yet to hear of anyone who likes to eat them. But go ahead ... surprise me!

Tony (sunfish) makes the excellent point that Flying Dragon is almost exclusively cultivated as a root stock. Certainly if I had Flying Dragon seedlings I'd graft them over with something like Sweet Lemon or something else that benefits from a non-aggressive root stock.

In breeding programs, grapefruit and other large citrus have a 10 year cycle: this is from budset on the host plant to an offspring that is mature enough to produce regular crops and demonstrate the characteristics of interest in the breeding program.


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RobG7aChattTN 03-22-2012 10:12 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 189163)
Yes, you can get a few fruits from Flying Dragon (and other small citrus) in 3 years but it will take longer to get a handful and fruits with the characteristic taste of the plant. I'm surprised to hear of anyone growing Flying Dragon for the fruit. I've yet to hear of anyone who likes to eat them. But go ahead ... surprise me!

Oh, I wouldn't eat Poncirus fruit. I want it to fruit for purely ornamental reasons. Flying Dragon gets a very unusual form as well and the spines are so large that they are ornamental as well. Still, after digging mine up to move then I couldn't quite figure out where I wanted them and just threw them out. I still have a few in pots, but the ones in the ground were getting a nice size...just not really very "citrusy".

RobG7aChattTN 03-22-2012 10:16 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfish (Post 189160)
Why not graft them ?

I thought about it, but I have some smaller ones in pots that would be easier to work with. I've never been successful with grafting and it certainly is something I need to work on...but these vicious 'Flying Dragons' were just too big and spiny and would have also needed big pots just for the roots. I probably should have cut them short and potted them and then thought about grafting, but strait Poncirus might be a better root stock because 'Flying Dragon' is dwarfing.

john_ny 03-22-2012 10:28 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Before the development of Flying Dragon, regular P. trifoliata was used as a dwarfing rootstock.

Richard 03-23-2012 04:57 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by john_ny (Post 189326)
Before the development of Flying Dragon, regular P. trifoliata was used as a dwarfing rootstock.

Yes, Poncirus sp. were used as dwarfing rootstock on aggressive citrus such as Lemon and Grapefruit since at least the 1940's in southern California commercial groves.

Olafhenny 03-23-2012 05:47 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
A couple more pictures of the Fortunella japonica (Thunberg) Swingle





This is the tallest and probably oldest potted Quất, I have seen. It is about 6' from
soil to top. Actually I have not seen any, which were not potted :)





Back down in the south, I saw one with the old fruit finally gone and new fruit developing.
Well, we are talking Saigon here and the city air is not the cleanest
:(





Richard 03-24-2012 01:09 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
So in the photo with the motorcycles, the size of the fruits range from an inch to 1.25 inches?

Olafhenny 03-24-2012 02:35 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Yes, Richard, that is about right. The largest ones may reach about 1 1/2 in dia.





lkailburn 03-24-2012 06:27 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
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Originally Posted by Olafhenny (Post 189393)
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That is the coolest looking potted citrus I have ever seen!

-Luke

passaflora 04-06-2012 12:59 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
I have a friend who told me she had this ornamental orange with insipid tasting fruit. So I took a look at it and it looks to me like the Flying Dragon root stock took over and it is a Flying Dragon tree now, full of long thorns, trifoliate leaves and lots of ugly looking fruit. and yes I tried them they taste pretty bad but you might be able to make a orange aid from them??

Olafhenny 05-03-2012 02:00 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passaflora (Post 190052)
I have a friend who told me she had this ornamental orange with insipid tasting fruit. So I took a look at it and it looks to me like the Flying Dragon root stock took over and it is a Flying Dragon tree now, full of long thorns, trifoliate leaves and lots of ugly looking fruit. and yes I tried them they taste pretty bad but you might be able to make a orange aid from them??


Well, these ornamental Quất are pretty tasty, that is how I managed to "harvest" over 200
seeds, while getting only an average of about three seeds/fruit. :)





Olafhenny 05-03-2012 02:26 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
After 7 weeks finally some signs of life

Well, the ‘signs of life’ occurred about 5 or 6 days earlier, but I wanted to make sure, that I was not
fooled again.





I am still puzzled, how out of this convoluted mess a respectable citrus tree can emerge.



That is one out of the four, which I had soaked on March 15 and planted on March 16 in peat moss
pots. Later, following advice, I transferred 2 of them into plastic bags with some moist peat moss.
Since I had to handle these bags for inspection (the peat moss caked around the seeds and made it
difficult to find them), the seeds tumbled around a lot. Since it occurred to me, that this could not
be good, I transferred the two survivors once again into little pots, covered them only very lightly
with peat moss and the whole thing with Saran Wrap, thus hopefully providing the same
humid environment as in a plastic bag.

That is also the method I am now using on the 5 (out of 6) survivors of the next badge. The high
mortality rate is mostly attributable to clumsy handling and inexperience on my part. :(





Olafhenny 05-06-2012 11:07 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Well, there is some order in that chaos after all. :) It comes now much closer to my image of
a viable sprout.



As wee as this little citrus is (see penny), it was butting up against the saran wrap already.
So I removed the wrap for a somewhat less humid environment.




This is so far the only one of the first four seeds. Two were victims of my clumsiness. Once they
come close to sprouting these seeds are extremely tender. That is another reason, why I would
not use the plastic bag method again. The handling is just too rough on the tender seeds in the
pre-sprouting phase.




harveyc 05-07-2012 01:00 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
I just came across this thread. If I understand it correctly, you imported citrus seeds into the USA from Vietnam and that is prohibited. I'm not going to take the time to search the APHIS information now because I've done it before and know it to be the case. In addition, there is more than a slight chance that you could have imported seeds that were carrying HLB disease. I suggest that you destroy them and ask anybody you have shared them with to do the same. This is serious and USDA officials will certainly come visit you if they get wind of this. I know someone who once imported palm seeds without a permit and the USDA officials that paid him a surprise visit was a scary experience for him.

EDIT: I just saw you're located in Canada so USDA definitely won't come visit you and I don't know what the Canadian regulations are in regards to importation of citrus seeds. There certainly isn't a citrus industry they're trying to protect. I just hope you didn't send any seeds into the USA.

cheson74 05-11-2012 01:41 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
My aunt from Pennsylvania (who is Vietnamese) grows the Quat in a pot. It's been growing now for at least 10 years. She brings it outside during the summer and indoors in the winter. It's nowhere as big as the potted Quat that was posted on this thread.

cheson74 05-11-2012 01:51 PM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
In regards to Harvey's post, he is correct about importation of seeds. See link below. There are a lot of countries listed and Vietnam is one of them.

Federal Register, Volume 75 Issue 65 (Tuesday, April 6, 2010)

Olafhenny 05-15-2012 12:05 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheson74 (Post 194100)
My aunt from Pennsylvania (who is Vietnamese) grows the Quat in a pot. It's been growing now for at least 10 years. She brings it outside during the summer and indoors in the winter. It's nowhere as big as the potted Quat that was posted on this thread.

That large potted Quất is the largest and probably oldest I have encountered in three visits totaling
about 6 months, all including the Tet season, when the Quất are the most prominent.

One of the advantages is that it is so small, that you can do, what your aunt is doing and still have
the full display of fruit in a very small plant, which still fits into any home, even when it is quite
a few years old.

BTW, if you are interested in the plant yourself, you might want to ask Harveyc if it would be
okay if your aunt let you have some seeds from a tree, which has been in the States for more that
10 years.




harveyc 05-15-2012 01:08 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
Unfortunately, no citrus are allowed into California without going through quarantine (after having an import permit). If there is sufficient demand for it, you might contact UC Riverside to see if they would be interested in importing a scion from PA. They typically clean up other diseases (not HLB) by propagating from very young tip growth where the diseases have not yet had time to develop yet. I'm somewhat surprised this hasn't been imported already as they have quite a few: UCR: Citrus Variety Collection

Richard 05-15-2012 01:30 AM

Re: Seeds for Quất, possibly the most attractive and hardy citrus…
 
The "Marumi" kumquat is Fortunella japonica and widely available at California nurseries with large citrus collections, or even online from Four Winds Growers.


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