lorax

On a completely different note, I really appreciate having somewhere to talk palms with another tropical-dweller. I can grow a lot of things that you guys can't even zone-push, and it's great to be able to compare that to those of you fighting the cold.

saltydad

We cold dwellers love to hear about the palm experiences of those like you and Tog. Love living vicariously!

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ArchAngeL01

ok i never said i did extreme pushing of zones i only do one zone lower maybe BUT they can do what makes them happy and it dosent bother me if they try to be happy i want them to be

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southlatropical

That's funny, I first became interested in bananas and now I am more focused on palms. Now that I have most of the palms I want to grow, I'm looking into adding more cycads. Here is a list of what I'm growing now. The z10 palms are in pots.

Arenga englari - 'Dwarf Sugar Palm'
Burretiokentia hapala
Butia capitata - 'Pindo Palm'
(Butia X Jubaea) x Butia
Butia X Syagrus - 'Mule Palm'
Ceratozamia latifolia
Chamaedorea cataractarum - 'cat palm'
Chamaedorea metallica - 'metallic palm'
Chamaedorea microspadix - 'hardy bamboo palm'
Chamaedorea oblongata
Chamaedorea radicalis - 'radicalis palm'
Chamaedorea tepejilote
Chamaedorea glaucifolia - 'Glaucous Parlour Palm'
Chamaerops humilis var 'Cerifera'
Cycas revoluta - 'sago palm'
Cycas taitungensis
Cycas taitungensis x guizhouensis
Dypsis decipiens - 'Manambe Palm'
Dypsis leptocheilos - 'Redneck palm'
Encephalartos ferox
Encephalartos natalensis
Laccospadix australasica - 'Atherton Palm'
Livistona NOID
Livistona australis - 'Australian fan palm'
Livistona chinensis - 'Chinese fan palm'
(Jubaea x Butia) x Butia
Macrozamia johnsonii
Macrozamia miquelii
Phoenix canariensis - 'Canary Island Date Palm'
Phoenix roebelenii - 'pygmy date palm'
Phoenix rupicola - 'cliff date palm'
Phoenix sylvestris - 'Silver date palm'
Phoenix theophrasti - 'Cretan Date Palm'
Pseudophoenix sargentii - 'Buccaneer Palm'
Ravenea rivularis - 'Majesty palm'
Rhapis excelsa - 'Lady Palm'
Rhapis multifida - 'Slender Lady Palm'
Sabal maritima - 'Bull Thatch Palm'
Sabal sp 'Riverside'
Sabal palmetto - 'Cabbage palm'
Syagrus sp - 'Silver Queen'
Syagrus romanzoffiana - 'Queen palm'
Trachycarpus latisectus - 'Windamere Palm'
Trachycarpus wagnerianus
Washingtonia filifera - 'California fan palm'
Zamia floridana

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ArchAngeL01

any ideas on protection of the bismark? chikin wire? pine needles....plastic? helpp...

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proletariatcsp

Hi Tog, that is a beautiful palm. Are the leaves from the pic only strap leaves? You can easily see that palm is quite different and already distinguishable from other species at such a small size.

You are right about palms growing in the moist/soggy areas next to streams, they do that here in Florida too. I often go looking for plants along streams and storm trenches. The other day I picked up a few palm seedlings and I was very surprised to see a King palm grown to 20ft with its trunk completely submerged in the stream. I got a queen palm for sure, and three other seedlings that are King palms (I hope) or fan palm. It will be fun to see what they turn out to be regardless.

Thanks for the post.

Chris in FL

ron_mcb

hey arch angel i wasnt full of b.s. about the peroxide onto the rotted bud..i started a weekly thing where i added a cap full to each crown after spear pull. here is new growth from two of my pindos that got fried.see the small inital fronds?? they go back to normal after the first couple. i only use the 3% peroxide for this,nothing industrial strenth .




try this trick immediately if you are ever faced with spear pull or bud rot again.. its cheaper than fungicide down the crown. its true some people dont have to do anything to get new fronds after bud rot if its not severe. this really helps and gives you peace of mind. *the last pic is my finger on the first new emerging spear since healing.

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ArchAngeL01

do butias normally have red leaf bases?

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jack hagenaars

no gree trunk..

Bob

John since I just got back , let me respond to your "Rant". Couldn't agree more.....to an extent. I was in to palms way before bananas and of course my first attempts to grow cyrtostachys lakka from seed were doomed to failure. I've definitely killed enough plants of all kinds to consider myself a pretty good grower (does that make any sense?). I probably won't try to grow one of those again but still have several Chinese fan and Needle palms that are kept outside, a potted " Moroccan Blue" European Fan from grown a single leaf and now a bunch of Phoenix Date palm seedlings grown from seed germinated over the winter( Not bothering with Latin.) These will always be in pots . Also some recently discovered Sabal Tamaulupas seedlings that are reputedly "hardy" but too young to sacrifice at the moment. I really believe all left outside except for maybe the Needle have only a matter of time before A) I decide to risk minimal protection due to large size and lose them, B) an unusually cold winter kills them or C) I decide they're an annual and let them fend for themselves. Then again ,,,what if they live?
Still all left being "bad memories" ....no way, it's kind of nice coming home on a hot summer day surrounded by my non barking "pets" and taking a dip in my little blow up pool surrounded miniature tropical jungle come July. Lots of people plant annuals knowing full well their impending demise.......bigger idiots just use palms and bananas........ I have a lot of company anyway.

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Another wonderfu palm that i grow iis a feather palm called Chamadorea Microspadex....or the bamboo palm....it gros in clumps to about 10ft tall...takes about -7C...it is a bright shade plant....

lorax

I see your palms, and raise you Loja central square, replete with Phoenix canariensis....



....and the Upper Amazon Basin.

Dalmatiansoap

I have just recived some fresh seed of tropical palms from Malaysia !
Will keep U updated on germination!!

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bepah

Bob,

Admittedly, I push a zone at times,...we all do. My problem with the discussion and ultimately my rant, was the number of zones being pushed for bananas which is much more easily done than pushing palms.

Bananas are more portable, as we see each winter as the corms are dug, put in the garage, basement, or treasured corner. Palms cannot be dug out, eventually they get too large to be moved inside, hence my problem. Palms cannot be treated the same way. I would love to be able to have a lipstick palm or watch a pigefetta grow 10 feet in a year.....but it is easier to move me than move the palms.

All of the artificial ways to keep tropical palms really cheats them in achieving their potential. Your selection of palms is great for your area. A needle palm grown to maturity can be pretty spectacular, if you are willing to wait. Which brings up another major difference in palms. From year to year, growth is sometimes indistinguishable. Bananas change every week.....the only other 'tropical' looking plant that grows faster is bamboo...which opens up another can of worms.

BTW, I have palms, bananas, and bamboo.....I am sick.....

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ArchAngeL01

here is the butia ......is it usual?

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ron_mcb

i know a lot of people with pindos and i have 5 and i have never seen bright red at the base like that..not on the ones ive seen growing here.i have only seen the boots range from green to brown with a reddish hue,but never lipstick red. is it potted?

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ArchAngeL01

yeah it's potted in a clay pot ,can that make a difference in things?

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saltydad

My Butia eriospatha did not have reddish boots.

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ron_mcb

i dont know for certain if the clay pot is causing the unusual pigmentation in your palm boot.

i know clay pots are different from most other pots because of the way they draw salts and certan minerals to their inner surface and retain them.

it could be a factor. it may be something else causing it.

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ArchAngeL01

hey mcb , my ice cream pup is got a new leaf but no spear down inside ,it looks hallow.....is it ok? :\ :/ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i just potted that palm up in the clay ,it was in plastic ,so it couldnt be the pot. i geuss i just got lucky!! i love the unusual red in the bases .

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