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I would vote for the single market, I think the idea of a bloc of independent nations trading together and allowing a free movement of people and goods is a fundamentally good thing and can only benefit everyone. This is not what we have though, what we have is an unelected polit bureau dictating how other nations should live and work. Interference in democratically elected governments by unelected idiots with a now defunct social ideal is unforgivable. Sovereign nations should be free to set and collect their own taxes and budgets without interference from anyone

And the Euro...don't get me started. Worst idea ever.

There is a lot of Britain bashing going on in Europe at the moment, which is starting to get on my nerves. Britain has been and always will be a trading nation. Anything that gets in the way of that Britain will resist. What is going on in Europe at the moment is putting the idea of a bloc of free trading nations at risk and that is something that Britain could never sign up to and neither should anybody else.

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Thanks folks,
I was expecting a kind of debate here but not that it will get so serious.
Well, thats the one of many reasons I love this site:ha:
I feel a bit hendicaped here becouse I cant discusst politics and economy in English in I way I would like to.
So fare if its about me, Im OK this ways and only bad thing for me at the moment are customs and relative closed borders. On the other side, I still remember living in comunism and I know how to value freedom and free will and I want to secure that for my kids. I wouldnt want them to raise and live in closed and so conservative soc. as Croatia is, no matter what govermants says or do.
Haha Jack, no harm done, Im very well aware of that:ha:
:nanadrink:

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Ante, living in to much conservative country is as bad as to liberal.. one day you can wake up and realise that it's not your street/districet/country any more...:08:
Anyway I hope I could visiting Croatia soon without the passport :bananas_b (even if I actually has got the new one ;)
It is quiet good and clever joke :nanadrink: (obviously I know it Jack)
Just for explanation.
Actually it has not much common with Tusk or Kaczyński, it is about wave of emigration which had place couple years ago, when about 2 millions of Poles, what is less than 5% of the population moved abroad (mainly to British Islands, Netherlands and Scandinavia) and this station is compared to Polish government-in-exile times.

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Mass media hype, economy... will force your people to enter the EU one way or another.
Whether it will be positive is doubtful. :) They can study abroad now, you can move out of Croatia wherever you like, as long as you get the visa/residency and there's not much more an average person would need.

The other real problem is... how the referendum goes. Although I would be surprised, if the majority were agains the EU. We'll see in time. One way or another, you have a lot to be "looking forward" to.

Being said by one citizen from a very dogmatic, highly (many people say that ultra) religious, conservative country. :ha:


I don't know how about you (since we are both EU it should be the same)... in order to enter Croatia you don't need a passport... as an EU member all you need is a personal ID card (driver's license...). All the documents (including the driver's license) are just as valid in Croatia as in Poland.




Yeah, I've heard it from so many Poles... mostly expats. :D
Its a national joke now. :ha:



No... don't open this door, or we are risking a forum flame war.
However 5% of Poland is 20% of Croatia, 40% of Slovakia,... ;)

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So my friends lay me telling that I can't go with them without pass :eek:

This joke was on top 3 yeras ago or so , now is passé :08:

Schengen Convention [print sheet]
Last updated: 21/07/11 (Snip)
Excerpt:
This became an EU Convention in 1995 and since then has expanded to include all EU member states (except
the UK,Ireland), Romania,
Bulgaria and Cyprus, plus Norway, Iceland and Switzerland as signatories. Of the 10 states that joined the EU
in 2004, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovenia, Czech Republic and Slovakia joined the
Schengen zone in 2007. However, Romania and Bulgaria, who joined the EU in 2007,…

Source: EU Facts: The Schengen Convention

The above is very recent, as such things go, and talks about expansions of the agreement, but not, that
it has been superseded or replaced. (You had me there for a moment)

But I must concede, that as Island nations The UK and Ireland are not contiguous to any of the other
Schengen signatories and therefore a special case, which cannot be solely explained with “insular attitude”
f their citizens. In fact, all their outside borders are also borders of the Schengen Area.





Let me assure you, that your English is a whole lot better than my Serbo-Croatian knowledge, which is nil.
If it was better than your English, we would probably use it instead. Since you “can” and I cannot, that
makes your skills superior.

Therefore just express yourself the best you can and we will understand, what you are saying, even if it
is not expressed as eloquently as you would do it in your own language.

I believe we all, and I for sure, do value your opinion and want to hear from you.

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"D" day is tomorrow.
This time tomorrow night I hope to know better where am I going to direct my gardenig career:ha:
:nanadrink:

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Ante, I wish the best for you and the people of your country. I hope that regardless of the outcome, everyone has either a rainbow or a silver lining. :)

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So, what's the outcome. Yay or nay? :08:

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Yay, 67%.
44% voters response.
:woohoonaner:

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Only 44%, is voting still open?

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No, its allmost final, I think only citizents in America can still vote due the time difference but thats not going to change anything.

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Congratulations!

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Funny. A minority of the state decided where the majority will be headed.:08:


My condolences to you and your countrymen.
The first news you, as an approved citizen might be glad to read:
EU Iran Sanctions News - EU Politics Today

Oil prices are going up. Food prices will follow soon after that.

:)

Not to paint a devil on the roof, but your children will very likely thank you with emigration from Croatia in several years. :2738:

I watched the entire show today though. Looked exactly like that in here... years ago. And look how much progress we made.:waving::ha:

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I really don't know whether joining is good, bad, or inconsequential for Croatia. The 56% who didn't vote either couldn't make it, or didn't think voting would make a difference. The latter group will have no valid reason to complain about it in coming years.

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The 56% will emigrate to France, Germany, UK, Spain and Italy. :ha:

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I would vote 'get us out the EU'..

And we have paid billions into the EU. Also we don't like Brussels telling us what to do, who to allow in, what benefits people must have even if they have not done a stroke of work in the UK..

Brussels:
Take 20m more Immigrants...

UK

We are but a small Island, you take them.

Brussels

Take down the UK flag and put up ours..

UK...

Do one....Its our National flag.

Lets not even discuss 'the human rights law'.

We have enough to worry about without the EU.

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Another disagreement rooted in overpopulation.

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Don't new members have to adopt the Euro as their currency too, rather than being able to opt out?

Only if it exists.

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Richard, I don't understand.



I believe so. They will have limited voting capabilities as well, since it is no longer necessary that ALL the national governments agree on something. Even if they won't like it, they will have to adopt it for the sake of that currency.