Grow More "Stimulant"
 

I've been testing this product for the past year on various crops. For bananas, it is only applied after flag leaf or bud emergence. It is basically a hormone product for situations where regular nutrient feeding is intractable.
Grow More Liquid Stimulant 10-5-5, 1-quart round bottle

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Richard --- what were your results so far? And please explain what those situations consist of.

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This product was developed for situations where the farmer either didn't have access to or more simply couldn't afford a "standard" nutrient program. It has been successful in a number of applications.

Several trials have been carried out here (my home) and in countries afar.

In particular for bananas, a plantation in Honduras bought a several cases of quarts/liters to apply to about 200 acres of plantains. This was applied after initial bud fall instead of the usual application of seaweed extract. The yield over the former was about 1.5. Further, the yield of seaweed extract (essentially unrefined gibberellins) over no treatment at all was about two fold. So I would expect in U.S. home gardens where good horticultural practices are in place that there would be a 50% to 100% increase in yield.

Again, I would be happy to send a sample bottle at no charge to experienced growers of bananas at this site.
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Richard what you're claiming is FALSE. :ha::ha::ha:

And even folks with just a basic understanding of bananas will know that.

Decades of research has shown that bunch size (i.e., # fingers, & # hands) is determined many months before bud emergence and no magic potions added after your "initial bud fall" will affect that.

Proper soil nutrients during the bud formation phase is a key to producing large bunches, and if you're capable of doing that then you're probably also capable of providing proper soil nutrients during the fruit filling phase.

The skin of a banana is comprised of cells and the research has shown that these cells can be stretched a little lengthways. This is commonly seen as the effect of hand pruning, you'll get longer fingers and smaller bunch weights, but it's an overall loss of food.

This is the reason why banana breeders are focused on creating synthetic hybrid cultivars that have more hands and fruit. You can only fill a fruit to it's limit, but when you increase the number of fruit you'll also increase the filling capacity of the bunch.

So I would expect in U.S. home gardens where good horticultural practices are in place that there would be little or no increase in bunch weights, but there probably would be an increase in places that have horrible horticultural practices.:woohoonaner:

With the standard HD growing practices used today, you're claiming that several cases of this "Stimulant" can fertilize about a half of a million plantains, amazing. :waving:

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One way to find out??? ;) :lurk:

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It's not a claim and I am not a liar.
:lurk:

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I will test it for you!

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"Decades of research has shown that bunch size (i.e., # fingers, & # hands) is determined many months before bud emergence and no magic potions added after your "initial bud fall" will affect that."

Bunch size is determined at bunch initiation, but ultimate yield is not. PGRs can increase girth and length of fingers which can increase yield. ProGibb is labeled for this very use.

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Bunch size & approximate yield are determined during bud formation, many months before bud emergence.

PGRs applied postharvest will not increase girth, length, or yield.

PGRs applied at planting (prior to the ultimate bud formation) does stimulate cell division and can increase yield.

Richard's:lurk: claim that a farmer was able to triple their yield by applying his "Stimulant" after "initial bud fall" is

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Richard, it doesn't matter whether you call it a claim, a statement, or a brain fart, it's still FALSE.

Try posting a study that can validate your claim.:lurk:


This is what happens in the Tropics when only some compost is added.

No fertilizers or PGRs were used, and adding Richard's:lurk: "Stimulant" would not triple the yield.

100 lb. bunch of Cavendish

June 1


June 7


August 28



Here's a 50 lb. bunch of Cuerno de Alce platanos

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It's not my "Stimulant". It is manufactured in the Los Angeles area by the Grow More corporation. It is widely used by apple & nut farmers in the western U.S., and by row crop famers in the southwest U.S. and Mexico. I tried it on similar crops for the first time this year and only began selling it last month.
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The literature "Effect of Gibberellic Acid and Male Bud Removal on Yield and Fruit Quality of Banana Plants" shows a 5+kg increase in yield for the plant crop and a 20+g increase in finger weight by spraying GA after emergence of the last hand.

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I would try it......
Growers/Gardeners are always looking for a competitive edge.
I think this product in tandem with GrowMore Hawaiian Bud and Bloom is an excellent combination of "goodies" for some of my row crop perennial plants.
I will even post photos of root structure of with/without the stimulant
Sorry no samples..

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This is going to be a huge Feral Manzano Bunch, it would great if there was some real magic bud drops to add after the bud drops. :lurk:
Who doesn't wanna triple their bunch size after the bud drops. :woohoonaner:


Massive Manzano Bloom Dec 7, 14


I'd rather use magic and have a 75 lb bunch of Veinte Cohol instead of a 25 lb bunch with no magic.

Thanks Dude, no fertilizer & no magic. :lurk:

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I read that study a couple of years ago, it looked like it was done by some college kids, but at least they didn't make any crazy claims like :lurk:Richard does. Even Azomite removed all those crazy claims and is now trying to appear more respectable.

"The Combined Effect of Some Organic Manures, Mineral N Fertilizers and Algal Cells Extract on Yield and Fruit Quality of Williams Banana Plants" done a year later was a little better, but both studies are starting and finishing with small bunches.

There are many gimmicks that can add a few kilos, but I'd rather read a study that produces large bunches.

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"Effect of Gibberellic Acid and Male Bud Removal on Yield and Fruit Quality of Banana Plants"
Research Journal of Agriculture and Biological Sciences 04/2008; 4(4):289-292.
Sanaa Ebeed, E.A.M. Mostafa; Horticultural Crop Technology Dep., National Research Center (NRC),12311, Egypt.
M.M.S. Saleh; Researcher Professor, National Research Center, Egypt, Department of Pomology.

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I specifically said " it looked like it was done by some college kids" and did not say " it was done by some college kids", but I was curious who would be the first meathead to focus on that. :08:

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There is such a thing as a yield limit, and I don't think I've come across any studies where the average yield was much more than 30kg/plant. My professional experience regarding these types of products is that they do not further increase already high yields. I have seen fish emulsion double snap bean yields during an extended cold spell, and I have also seen it do nothing at other times. I imagine the GA has a more pronounced effect in the subtropics, where weather is more challenging.

Here's a link to a thesis from Costa Rica showing almost no effect for GA3
http://bibliodigital.itcr.ac.cr/xmlu...pdf?sequence=1

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Richard, it doesn't matter whether you call it a claim, a statement, or a brain fart,
it's still :rollerbananadone:FALSE.:rollerbananadone:

Try posting a study that can validate your claim.


This is what happens in the Tropics when only some compost is added.

No fertilizers or PGRs were used, and adding Richard's "Stimulant" would not triple the yield.

Brain Fart?.....
I dont recall ever experiencing that
but Brain FREEZE I have!

Thats :ha::ha::ha:!
I havent finished reading the thread
but it sounds like an invitation to experiment
for those curious members of this thread.

Im Lovin the DRAMA at this site:bananas_b

Cheers!

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Richard
Im over a year till my tc and some pups from momoese flowers
but I can try running the experiment with your (Viagra)stimulant product.

One given throughout the growing & blooming phase.
The second during the bloom phase only
and of course a control not receiving any of your stimulant.

Any one tried yet?

Thanx!

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If Im understanding Nick correctly,
He's saying that its a combination of both.
I can and will agree with that:bananas_b!!!

Proper nutrition during the growth period of the plant
and then dose up on the multivitamins
during the pregnancy/bloom phase!

Sounds like good advice:bananas_b

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PGRs are not vitamins, they are hormones.

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Oooooh I see!
I didnt know its a growth hormone.

There are actually alot of articles when you google
Plant Growth Regulator(PGR) and gibberillic acid.
Natural extracted plant hormone GA would be similar to Superthrive
as opposed to the artificially created PGR.

Ill have to read more of this...

Upon further reading on some google articles,
seems like these growth hormones are more popular with the marijuana culture.
Gibberelins and PGR are the same, its just how theyre made and extracted.
Heres the link that I found...
Hormones /PGR`s/Vitimans - Research Thread Only | Rollitup

Thanx.
Ritchy

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It is true that superthrive contains seaweed extract, but the primary PGR ingredient in that product is alfalfa extract.

Here's a Wikipedia article about PGRs:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_hormone

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Richard
I thought you were in your
Wild Safari vacation.
You still take the time to chime in?
That's awesome!

Reserve me a bottle of that
:nanadrink:nanerViagra:nanadrink:
when you get back.

Thanx!