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Kylie2x 09-07-2008 05:46 PM
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Hey! Welcome! I look forward to seeing you around!!!
Kylie:waving:

bigdog 09-07-2008 09:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harveyc (Post 51529)
Frank, I'm skeptical also, but it's worth taking a look at to see what happens. Many growers have carried out particular traditions for many generations even though there is little objective support for doing so. My grandfather, father, uncles, and brother would never start planting corn in the spring on a Friday. No scientific reason for doing so except that there were probably too many other things going to if they hadn't got started by then and were possibly more lilkely to be rushing and making mistakes. Obviously, a trial with at least a hundred plants of each treatment (plant A, plant B, and grafts of A on B and B on A) would be nice to see to really draw any conclusions.

In some old scientific literature from the 15th century or so there was a discussion that grafting of fruit trees was highly controversial, messing with mother nature, along the lines of how gene splicing is often viewed today. So science has been know to change its views. I'd love to be able to have my skepticism dismissed!

Harvey
Don't get me wrong here; I am a firm believer in experimenting also! I experiment all of the time with plants. I'm just saying that there will be no gene transfer from plant-to-plant, and so they won't breed to create a new cultivar in this way. It is feasible that the two corms could grow together, and that there could be cell movement from one corm to the other. It is also theoretically possible for a chimera to result, although the chances are extremely slim. What will most likely happen is that you will have Musa basjoo pups coming up on one side, and Raja Puri pups on the other.

Good luck with it. I hope something good happens!

Chironex 09-07-2008 10:36 PM
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I would love to see a variegated Raja Poo come from this marriage. (Copyright 2008 Chironex)

magicgreen 09-07-2008 10:39 PM
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Frank ,I thought the same thing! Basjoo on one side, and the other corm growing itself all over again.
But then again.....Thinking back to grafts I've done with very minor plants, such as Ficus; its reasonable to think it can be done!
Like....um.....cutting the corm, like in the video; but then maybe seratting each cut side to make a good contact, then tie them together with twine, put the corm in the paper bag for a nice little bed, then plant! How long would this take? Would it start looking all brown like it was dying? Iam curious!
Maybe I just might try this next spring / summer with some of them old sword pups, or the pup or 2 I may dig up wrong this fall! What do you think?

john_ny 09-08-2008 08:30 AM
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I have some vague memry of hearing something about someone doing something like this with flowerbulbs/corms, etc. It's been a long time, and I can't remember, exactly, but I'll try to reconstruct as best I can. Seems they took different color flower bulbs, (I'm guessing now; say red & white) cut them in half, from top to bottom, and fastened the different halves together, in some manner. I don't remember what kind of flowers they were, (Guessing again; possibly tulips or gladiolas) but, supposedly, when the bulbs sprouted, the flowers were either striped, or half and half. Could be true, or could be another urban legend.

bigdog 09-08-2008 08:48 AM
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Regarding azaleas, there are a couple of reasons for not planting them in the same spot as a previously planted one. The first is Phytophthera root rot. It stays in the soil long after the azalea is dead, and planting another one in the same spot would be a death sentence. Second, most people plant their azaleas right up against the foundation. Azaleas love acid soil. The foundation's concrete structure leaches lime into the soil, raising the pH and making the shrub look chlorotic.

Digging in the soil is very therapeutic for me also, Mauro. I completely lose track of time when I'm pulling weeds, lol.

Best,

Frank

Chironex 09-09-2008 05:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog (Post 51524)
You're right. I'm sorry for trying to bring scientific facts into the discussion.
I am reminded of a statement made to me by my college Geology professor, when we were arguing the order inversion of two geological periods. Biologists claim it happened in a different order than geologists. He said to me, "We must keep in mind that most science is still theoretical and there are few incontravertable facts." I became silent and humbled by his statement. Doctor Block passed away a few years ago, a good friend, colleague and a brilliant, reverent man. It has stuck with me for 35 years.

damaclese 09-11-2008 08:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog (Post 51524)
You're right. I'm sorry for trying to bring scientific facts into the discussion.
bigdog i hope that i dint offend you with my post i read what you had to say. Really it makes good sense to me. I was just pointing out that You Never Know Until you try. iv always been fascinated by grafting and even at 46 it still amazes me that you can get two different kinds of fruit from the same tree or that that bare spot on your prised apple tree can suddenly get a new branch bring it in to a nice sense of summitry i really respect you reading your post i can tell that you are vary learned in regards to the Horticultural practices of growing Bananas so again if i did offend pleas except my sincerest apologias

bigdog 09-11-2008 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by damaclese (Post 51918)
bigdog i hope that i dint offend you with my post i read what you had to say. Really it makes good sense to me. I was just pointing out that You Never Know Until you try. iv always been fascinated by grafting and even at 46 it still amazes me that you can get two different kinds of fruit from the same tree or that that bare spot on your prised apple tree can suddenly get a new branch bring it in to a nice sense of summitry i really respect you reading your post i can tell that you are vary learned in regards to the Horticultural practices of growing Bananas so again if i did offend pleas except my sincerest apologias
Of course I'm not offended! No apologies needed. I just wanted to make a point that this isn't a documented method for hybridizing bananas, and that the chances of it working, according to the current scientific literature, is slim to none. I didn't want everybody who read this thread to think that this was a slam dunk, can't miss, easy method to creat a hybrid banana. I'd love to be proven wrong.

damaclese 09-12-2008 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdog (Post 51946)
Of course I'm not offended! No apologies needed. I just wanted to make a point that this isn't a documented method for hybridizing bananas, and that the chances of it working, according to the current scientific literature, is slim to none. I didn't want everybody who read this thread to think that this was a slam dunk, can't miss, easy method to creat a hybrid banana. I'd love to be proven wrong.
that makes more sense to me now thanks for the clarification and i agree 100% with you on that but the kid in me whats to believe it!!!!!! ( common Windy Never Land is just to the north of that star!)LOL

Richard 09-12-2008 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog (Post 51524)
You're right. I'm sorry for trying to bring scientific facts into the discussion.
Wait!! I think I've found proof!!

momoese 09-12-2008 02:59 PM
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I think I'll try this with a Dwarf Red and a Raj Puri. I'm sure stranger things have happened!

harveyc 09-12-2008 03:38 PM
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Good luck, Mitchel. When you're rich and famous after patenting your hardy dwarf red banana, please remember us. At least remember me! :)

momoese 09-12-2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by harveyc (Post 52096)
Good luck, Mitchel. When you're rich and famous after patenting your hardy dwarf red banana, please remember us. At least remember me! :)
Sure thing, and while I'm thinking about it, I'm going to go remove an H.A. pup for you right now!

harveyc 09-12-2008 04:20 PM
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:woohoonaner:

Thanks, Mitchel! :)

By the way, I was thinking of you today as I was posting photos. I did fix links to those other photos I posted a while back also.

momoese 09-12-2008 04:39 PM
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Hey look what I found! I'll mail it tomorrow. :2722:

harveyc 09-12-2008 06:59 PM
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Thanks! :D

Kylie2x 09-13-2008 06:23 PM
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Hey Welcome!!! I look forward to seeing you around!!!
Kylie

Richard 09-13-2008 06:43 PM
Re: Planting Bananas
 
Welcome!

Richard 09-13-2008 06:44 PM
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Welcome!


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