M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

I ordered 30 or so Musa sp violet from jungle seeds, and two have sprouted. They had very dark red midribs apparent on the first leaf. The larger is on it's 8th leaf, and it is obvious that both my seedlings are the same plant as Musa initerans (form India, from sunshine seeds). The very dark red midrib bleeds into the veins that extend toward the edge of the leaves. I thought it maybe the same plant as Musa rubinea var vino tinto(nature products), but that one's red doesn't bleed quite as far into the leaf. I wonder if it is the same and they are trying to patent a species?
It is definatly my most amazing looking banana, and hopefully it will be slightly cold hardy. This one should be tissued cultured for the masses! Sorry no pic, but I'll try to link to the sunshine seeds pic since it looks the same.

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

http://www.shop.sunshine-seeds.de/im..._indiaform.jpg

Here's the pic.

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

They are not supposed to be the same, if they are, then they sent you all the same seeds. Musa sp. violet is most likely M. flaviflora, M. itinerans is just that, and M. 'Vinto Tinto' is a hybrid between M. rubinea and M. yunnanensis, not a variety of Musa rubinea as they even incorrectly mention on their own website. I can't say what your plant is but the 3 you mentioned are not the same plants.

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Kyle, I got another M. itinerans 'India Form' to sprout last week, making two so far. This one looks vigorous and healthy, unlike my first one. The first one to sprout still hasn't even unfurled a leaf after over 3 weeks. It doesn't look like it will make it, so I was really glad that another one sprouted. I got some of the M. sp. 'Violet' also, from sunshine-seeds, but didn't think to take a picture of them for comparison with other seeds. Did you take pics of the two seeds? That could help. I still haven't sprouted one of the 'Violet' seeds yet. :2218:

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

I did take pics of both the seeds, so I guess I'll have to dig them up.
I also ordered Musa sp. violet from jungle seeds, and they don't offer the Musa initerans (form india) so they couldn't have been mixed up.
Looking at my plants the red is more pronounced than the pic from sunshine seeds, but they look very like the same plant. With these seed companies selling these seeds that come from multiple sources it is likely that some will get the same seed and sell it as two different species, just as botanical treasures did with Musa sp. big flower, and the Musa initerans xbananinsis, as well as Musa cheesmanii, and Musa nagesium by different companies. I guess time will tell.

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

Just to keep things clear, M. sp. 'Big Flower' and M. itinerans var. xishuangbannensis (along with M. itinerans var. gigantea) are all the same plant to be published as Musa itinerans var. xishuangbannaensis

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

:0493: So many bananas so many names. LOL.

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

I was checking around the other day on this site, and it is quite remarkable how similar their "Musa rubinea var. vino-tinto" is to Musa itinerans 'India Form'! Here's a pic on their site of the vino-tinto:



And a picture of my 'India Form':



Their vino-tinto:



My 'India Form':



Now, I know it's quite possible that they are completely unrelated. They do have some similarities though!

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

They originally said on their web site that it was a Rubinea X yunnaninsis hybrid, but now they changed it and said it was just created from multiple crosses. I'm sceptical when it comes to someone trying to sell something.

Like I mentioned before both the ones you mentioned look just like my Musa sp. 'Violet Flower'. But the one thing I noticed was when I had it inside and misted it almost everyday it looked great with lots of red, but then I put it outside in the extermely dry climate of Northern California(and stopped misting it) the red fadded alot. Probally a better looking banana in a humid summer climate.

Thanks for posting those awesome pics!

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

Here's Musa sp. 'Violet Flower'-



It was inside all winter until I took this picture, so definatly a different climate than outside, or where Franks growing his, or in China.
I just tried to find Musa sp. 'Violet Flower's picture on the Jungle seeds web site, but it's not there anymore, and they don't have it for sale(maybe I'll email for the picture to post). If we all end up getting a bloom like it showed on their site that would be awesome!

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Hi,
Just a quickie,is musa.sp violet the same as Musa violacea?
I've just ordered some of these and was wondering if they're the same.
Thanks
Steve

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Beautiful nannas, guess my pocket is gonna get even more empty NOW!:2785: Thanks to the" banana virus" that has inhabited my every cell!:2785: :2725: :2785: :2725: :2785: :2725: :2785: :2725: :2785: :2725: Magicgreen

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

Nope, they're not the same plant. The Musa violacea is a really nice waxy hybrid, that seems to need a hot spot for best growth. It also seemed really cold hardy on one trial I did in a cold zone 8.

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

what's the difference between the Violacea and the Ornata?

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

The Violacea that I grew from seed seemed alot more waxy, and the leaves were more lance shaped. It never got to blooming size, so not sure about the flower. It's supposed to be a veluntina X flaviflora hybrid.

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

thnx for explanation;)

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

Two of my Musa Itinerans (Indian form) have just germinated:2182:

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Congrats, Tony! They are beauties when fairly young. As I have found out recently though, they do lose the red streaking in the leaves as they age. Hopefully they will make up for that by being really cold-hardy, lol!

Re: M. rubinea var vino tinto, M.initerans(form India), M.sp violet- all the same
 

Thanks Frank, it is a pitty they lose that beautiful colouration, but what the heck, i will enjoy it while it lasts, i suppose it would be too much to ask for them to be hardy, but you never know your look. :)
cheers Tony