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cvergrl 10-27-2013 07:51 PM
Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed
 
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jbyrd88888 10-27-2013 08:12 PM
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Very Very Interesting! Good luck!

jbyrd88888 10-27-2013 08:14 PM
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You can be my gf? lol

jbyrd88888 10-27-2013 08:54 PM
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It might help if you put some old dried-up tree leaves around the ones outside when it gets colder. I don't know how others feel about this but from what I understand about banana plants is the Corm Underground is the Brain that controls all nutrition the leaves and fruit receive.
I probably would have chopped it 4-6 inches and put something to keep them warm on top. Just sharing my knowledge(opinion), I will always be a newbie. The stalk left standing will add resistance to the new leaves that form next year/It might take longer to get started puttin out leafage next year with a tall old stalk/p-stem.
BUT this resistance in the old stalk may just help put more energy into more pups?
How do you feel about this?

sunfish 10-27-2013 09:53 PM
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You can always cut it in the Spring

dana mastro 10-27-2013 10:32 PM
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leave it just how it is and color the top so it looks like a lit joint! lol :ukkibannana: :ukkibannana: :ukkibannana :ukkibannana: :

cvergrl 10-27-2013 10:35 PM
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Hi,
Thanks for your response. I am also a newbie to this as this being my first year with banana plants. I have been doing a lot of research on how to over-winter for zone 6 and saw some who cut down the stalk as you mentioned and some that wrapped it. I figured i give it a shot by just wrapping and time will tell come Spring. If this approach does not work then your suggestion will be my next alternative. Thanks for the feedback I have a lot to learn.

cvergrl 10-27-2013 10:48 PM
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Worcester College Gardeners: May 2010
check out this link

jbyrd88888 10-28-2013 03:11 PM
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I wonder why not many replies to these beautifully hand-wrapped tampons?
Main Banana Discussion:
This is where we discuss our banana collections; tips on growing bananas, tips on harvesting bananas, sharing our banana photos and stories.

Cold Hardy Bananas Discussion:
This forum is dedicated to the discussion of bananas that are able to grow and thrive in cold areas. You'll find lots of tips and discussions about keeping your bananas over the winter.

I could teach ya some stuff darlin' Yeah I went to college too!
In My High School I helped Put up a 3200 sq. ft. Polycarbonate greenhouse. College all I ever do is stare at a teacher, no field-trips ever....

Kat2 10-28-2013 06:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrd88888 (Post 232891)
I wonder why not many replies to these beautifully hand-wrapped tampons?
I was amazed and thus rendered speechless/typeless. I hope it works.

cvergrl 10-28-2013 07:04 PM
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Will post unwrapping come spring.

Kat2 10-28-2013 07:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cvergrl (Post 232916)
Will post unwrapping come spring.
Never be afraid to try something different with your plants; take a stand against the experts and experiment. Looking forward to the reveal!

Olafhenny 10-28-2013 09:27 PM
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Hi Girl,

I pride myself to be a fairly positive guy and certainly am I in favour of all kinds of experimentation.
However unless there is some source of heat I do not know about I can assure you, that your
pseudo stems (PS) will not make it through to spring. That is based on a number of winters in
HZ6. I have lost a PS in my first attempt of wintering, much better protected than yours
appear to be (see the ‘funny man’ here): http://www.bananas.org/f2/my-banana-...ack-12904.html. It shows the PS
buried in a large tomato cage stuffed with leaves. It did not make it.

If your corms were at least buried 6 inches deep in the ground, I would be able to assure you,
that at least they will survive, even if it takes a lot longer for recovery in spring. However, in
an elevated setting with cold air allowed to get at them from the side as well as from the top,
even that is doubtful.

Since there is still plenty time to change your method,I suggest that you scroll through some
of these sites to figure out, what is best for you:
http://www.bananas.org/f11/wintering-19001.html
http://www.bananas.org/f15/time-cut-...oos-19200.html
http://www.bananas.org/f15/prepping-...r-19024-2.html

There are of course more sites. Wintering bananas has been discussed in this forum for years.

Good luck!
Olaf
PS: If you have a name or anything else you prefer to be addressed as, I would feel more
comfortable than using ‘cvrgrl ’ or just ‘girl’

cvergrl 10-28-2013 09:45 PM
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Musa Basjoo cold hardy what does that mean when suggested for lower zones? Is it cold hardy or isn't it?

Olafhenny 10-28-2013 10:27 PM
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It means, that the corm of it is cold hardy, for the basjoo it is to HZ5, provided it is buried deep
enough. The top freezes off, where ever the frost penetrates into the cells. When the sap
freezes the water in it forms ice crystals, which destroy the cells from within. That explains,
why it has to be at at least -1^C (30^F) for a while before that happens. as I stated in one
of my posts, for which I gave you the URLs below, my basjoos have already suffered two
periods of frost this fall, one briefly at -1^C and one for a full 5 hours duration at -2^C
(28^F) and only the exposed tops of the leaves froze up. :)

cannasrus 10-30-2013 07:30 AM
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I guess jbyrd is kind of a douche, sorry I found his comment out of line. I am here to learn, so F@^kin what if it was posted in the wrong place. Newbies have good intentions, I thought this site was to help us all do things better and Grow what we love and share with others. Good thing he went to college, good to know they dont teach manners

jbyrd88888 10-30-2013 05:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannasrus (Post 232975)
I guess jbyrd is kind of a douche, sorry I found his comment out of line. I am here to learn, so F@^kin what if it was posted in the wrong place. Newbies have good intentions, I thought this site was to help us all do things better and Grow what we love and share with others. Good thing he went to college, good to know they dont teach manners
Hmmm I You are very correct an yeah almost everyone here is new except the ones that have stayed around or check up here rarely IMO.
Ima a hole please forgive me sorry ;)
EDIT: my intentions were only humorous and helpful

Kat2 10-30-2013 06:52 PM
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I'm still interested in how the mummy wrap works. I used to talk with fig gardeners who used raincoats to cover their girls in the cold; apparently that's an old Italian growing trick. And some had them in pots so they could have them go dormant in an unheated garage. (Few took them into a greenhouse or living area.) We both lived in zone 7. Too lazy to deal with pots or babying the ladies, I left any one over a year old in the ground outside. Without a coat or blanket or leaf cage. some I lost (always had replacement baby figlets inside just in case) but most often I won. (Not the year Reagan's inaugural was held inside. Brrrrrr! Everybody save "Blackie" did fine; she died to her roots but rallied in the spring.)

cvergrl 05-11-2014 09:46 PM
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After along extremely cold winter in Connecticut I unwrapped the Musa. The first pic is it unwrapped a week ago. The second photo is it's winter coat removed. The third pic is it a week later. One shoot that was wrapped has produced a new leaf. For everyone that doubted and criticized my method I will be nice and say anything is possible and keep learning.

Olafhenny 05-11-2014 10:36 PM
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So where are the pictures?

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cvergrl 05-11-2014 10:49 PM
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cvergrl 05-11-2014 10:52 PM
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cvergrl 05-11-2014 10:54 PM
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cvergrl 05-11-2014 10:56 PM
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Olafhenny 05-11-2014 11:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Olafhenny (Post 232930)
Hi Girl,

I pride myself to be a fairly positive guy and certainly am I in favour of all kinds of experimentation.
However unless there is some source of heat I do not know about I can assure you, that your
pseudo stems (PS) will not make it through to spring. That is based on a number of winters in
HZ6. I have lost a PS in my first attempt of wintering, much better protected than yours
appear to be (see the ‘funny man’ here): http://www.bananas.org/f2/my-banana-...ack-12904.html. It shows the PS
buried in a large tomato cage stuffed with leaves. It did not make it. (Snip)


Okay, Lynn, you've got me eating my words. As my sig. says, I am here to learn. So what
is that miracle stuff you wrapped your PSs in? and how many layers did it take?

Thanks,
Olaf

cvergrl 05-12-2014 05:03 AM
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Hi
I went to Home Depot and bought boiler insulation (plastic backing which is the white stuff in pic) and rope. Initially I wrapped it with the boiler insulation (around 2 time) and tied it. I later felt that was not going to be enough so I went back and bought some batt insulation and more boiler insulation. Then on top of my initial wrap I put the batts insulation then another layer of boiler insulation. I then used the plastic wrapping tape and went all around it including the top to secure it in addition to the rope. The ground covering was about 6" of leaves I made into mulch then another 6" of hay on top of that.
The last year pic was my initial wrap before I decided to add more insulation.
Thanks

Will post another pic in about a week of the progression.

cvergrl 05-12-2014 05:09 AM
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I forgot I also added a layer of a frost blanket I ordered from a greenhouse supply company that was used as my last wrap.

cvergrl 05-12-2014 05:44 AM
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cincinnana 05-12-2014 05:57 AM
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Looks good...That one will be a giant in no time.

Olafhenny 05-12-2014 09:11 AM
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Hi Lynn,

when I looked at your picture last fall, it did not look anything like that much insulation.
The thin "spikes", after you were done, looked like you just had wrapped some frost cloth
or such around the PS.

That should teach me to get the facts, before I mouth off. I have saved your method
for future reference.

Thank you,
Olaf

cincinnana 05-12-2014 08:39 PM
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Just saw your UNVEIL PHOTOS.....
COOL...A lot of work went in that project.

Hammocked Banana 05-12-2014 09:24 PM
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Wow amazing job! You would never know we just had one of the worst winters in years. How much stem does it have now after winter? That will be an absolute monster come fall

wheelman1976 05-14-2014 09:05 PM
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So there was no heat used at all in this method?

Olafhenny 05-14-2014 09:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wheelman1976 (Post 244829)
So there was no heat used at all in this method?

As far as I gather, there was none used. I don't see, how she could have gotten any
heat into that wrap, but Lynn would be the final authority on that. The secret is, that
she used fiberglass batting in the wrap. I do not know if compressing it reduced the R-value,
since it restricted the air space within the fibers. But you cannot argue with the success
she had.

Best,
Olaf

To Lynn: We were discussing your wrapping method here: http://www.bananas.org/f15/my-basjoo...tml#post244813

cvergrl 05-14-2014 09:56 PM
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Hi,
I used no heat just the wrapping from Home Depot. I made sure it was wrapped and mulched really well.
I will post another pic next week.

cannasrus 05-15-2014 05:09 AM
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That is great, I am so happy it worked out for you. All of mine are wind blown and sun burned from their trip to the out doors a couple weeks ago. I may try your method this fall. Thank you.


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