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Jack Daw 08-22-2009 05:47 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maesy (Post 92348)
Jack,
I always mix the planting hole with sand, gravel and rotted compost before I plant the bananas. To warm up the soil as you suggest and use black plastic foil is a good idea, but only gives you an advantage, when also the air temperature is at a minimum of 12 - 15 degrees Celsius.
According to the d.orinoco, more than once I have planted bolt corms in pots and into the ground, and it always takes months for them to get going. That's why I started to try something out that isn't disturbing the root system as much as digging them out and force them every year again to start rooting from the beginning. The iron basket has only small holes, just big enough for the roots to grow through. I tried it last year with musa FHIA-18 and musa sp.yangtse. And it worked. But the FHIA-18 rot in my garage. This one needs a warm winter place like a living room or warm greenhouse.
My first thought was also the kind of bag we use for potatoes. But after a half a year in the ground, that probably has also rotted to 50%.

Marcel

When I read in your Musa 'Pahari Kela' report, I can see, that your average daytime and night time temperature are at least two to three degrees warmer than ours.
And that is a big different!
Unfortunately we don't have that many warm summer nights, that make the bananas grow like crazy! This summer we had only two or maybe three nights with at least 20 degrees.
Well, celta material was originally designed by our army, so its supposed to withstand years of especially bad treatment. I have military outfits at home that are more than 25 years old (army give away) and they still are perfect, no holes, tears...
I think the warmer microclimate is due to the large water reservoirs around and beneath us. Also the soil here is... well, chernozem.

These thoeries are worth trying though, right? Dooming the entire Orinoco family because of one specimen? Maybe there are others, more vigorous. :D We'll see. I definitely intend to do that spring preparing.
But I think that someone with larger plants (Bob) might try it as well. ;)

Btw. Marcel, doesn't the compost cause also the root rot?
Do you really have 11°C now? What happened?

maesy 08-22-2009 05:51 PM
I'm shocked! Have a look at my weather banner. It shows 10 degrees at 10 pm!
I 've just been outside to check. In fact its quit cool with 13 degrees only!

Marcel

There is not that much compost, that is only an addition.
As soon as they have a good root system and the right summer temperature they grow fast. 3 - 4 leaves a month for my d.brazilian.

Marcel

Now, back to 11°C ;)

Jack Daw 08-22-2009 06:08 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
That's some bad weather. :D
But the truth is, that the summer's slowly finishig here as well.
Water temps are around 24°C. Not that good fro swimming.
Okay, let's just concentrate on the overwintering.
One thing that I noticed is that once you put the compost into the deeper soil levels, it stops producing the heat. Compost needs to brath the air. Or at least the fungus and bacteria do.

hammer 08-22-2009 10:39 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
I have a question when you put your bananas to sleep for the winter do you leave the pups on or take them off i herd that if you leave the pups that it gives energy to the m0there plant to make it through the winter.

Jack Daw 08-23-2009 02:59 AM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammer (Post 92398)
I have a question when you put your bananas to sleep for the winter do you leave the pups on or take them off i herd that if you leave the pups that it gives energy to the m0there plant to make it through the winter.
Frank left the pups on the corm and wrote somewhere, that this way the plants come back in the spring earlier. Also the pups will grow much faster and the entire corm is stronger.

hammer 08-23-2009 07:15 AM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Thanks jack i thought that was the case . i didnt know what to do with all my Orinoco pups there is 32 pups one has 7 pups alone i didn't want to have to pot all of them up for the winter.:woohoonaner:

Prometheus 08-30-2009 02:17 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Hey All,

Great and informative thread (it took a while to read it all). I'm in zone 5 (Michigan) and a newbie banana nut. I just moved houses this summer, so all my nanners are in pots right now and in their first year (roughly) of growth (I'm planning on planting many of them in the ground next year). So, the great wintering question comes up - any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated. Here's my little collection:

3 Musa Basjoo - 5', 2.5', and 1.5' (pup I removed)
1 Red Abyssinian - 4'
3 Siam Ruby - 6' (two of them - 3 pups), 5', 2' (pup removed)
3 KRU - 3', 3', 3'
1 unknown Musa - 3.5'
1 IC (Blue Java) - 3'
1 - Dwarf Cavendish - 1'' - met an accident and got chopped at the corm - looks like it's peaking through with new growth - I hope it recovers - will it?

I also have a some giant EE - Colocasias and a beautiful Alocasia EE, and several Canna's

THE PLAN
I have an empty bedroom upstairs (South facing Window) and plenty of room in the basement - small west windows (65F) through the winter.

EE's/Canna's - chop to nothing and store the bulbs
Alocasia - plan to keep in front of the sliding door (south facing)

Nanners - Hmmm... I was hoping to just move most of them into the basement in their pots or upstairs bedroom (basement preferred) and only water sparingly if absolutely bare-bones dry. I have windows reserved for some of them.

QUESTIONS
What do you think?
Should I remove any leaves?
I heard spider mites become a large problem - should I worry too much?
Do the plants "drip" during their indoor wintering?
Should I provide supplemental light to sustain them?
When should I make the move? The Siam Ruby is the least cold tolerant - correct? I figured I'd wait until the nights start dropping below 45F.
When should I stop watering them? Should I fertilize again?

Thanks a million to anyone who feels compelled to read my little novella here and thanks in advance for any advice. What am I missing? Thanks again.

--Brad Ann Arbor, MI

hammer 08-30-2009 03:08 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
I have another question when i dig my banana plants up for the winter should i wash the roots or shake the dirt off i did not see this anywhere anyway the clay is hard to get off the roots.

Maque 09-01-2009 03:30 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Hello all! :woohoonaner:

I´ve only had the pleasure of having bananas for two years!
And I just wanna know how I shall do to treat them well during the wintertime.
I have all my bananas planted in pots outside and now when I do need to take them inside (to cold) how do I do?
I have a basement with 13-16C, is that ok? or shall I put them in my livingroom ca 20-22C. Shall I water them? Shall I feed them? Do they need light? I have Led growlights. They are only about 60cm high right now.

Please help a banana friend!!!!
//Marcus
Sweden

cowboyup4christ 09-01-2009 10:11 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Going to put mine in a greenhouse, when should I dig and pot, how long should I give them to adjust before winter? how often to water? I am goint to just keep them from freezing will not try to grow them through the winter to must heat cost, will probably keep them around 50 degrees f.

chong 09-01-2009 11:18 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboyup4christ (Post 94515)
Going to put mine in a greenhouse, when should I dig and pot, how long should I give them to adjust before winter? how often to water? I am goint to just keep them from freezing will not try to grow them through the winter to must heat cost, will probably keep them around 50 degrees f.
Here's an article that came in yesterday by the Master Gardener from FL that has some recommendations:
How to winterize your plants

stumpy4700 09-02-2009 12:48 AM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
QUESTIONS
What do you think?
Should I remove any leaves?
I heard spider mites become a large problem - should I worry too much?
Do the plants "drip" during their indoor wintering?
Should I provide supplemental light to sustain them?
When should I make the move? The Siam Ruby is the least cold tolerant - correct? I figured I'd wait until the nights start dropping below 45F.
When should I stop watering them? Should I fertilize again?

Brad:

I would not remove all the leaves, Keeping some leaves will help the plant to capture the sunlight.
Spider mites will find you indoors, but there are several sprays that will help control them. I use a soap based spray that is sold at your lowes or home depot type store.
Yes if you spray or mist the leaves they might drip on the floor. If thats a problem throw down a towel or after a minute wipe the leaf down.
If you have lights all the better
I personally move my Siams when it hits under 50 degrees
I would stop watering a couple of days before you move them inside and then water very sparingly. And no fertilizer til spring.

This is just what has worked for me so seek advise from a couple of other sources as there are different ways....And I see your in Ann Arbor so goooo Buckeyes....lol

Prometheus 09-02-2009 09:58 AM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Jeff,

Thanks for the response and the advice. It's been in the low 40's the past two nights and the Siams have held up just fine. This week looks good with high 70's and 80's during the day so I figure I have a couple of weeks left. I've already reduced watering with the colder weather. As for the "goooo Buckeyes," that's the biggest flaw in your response. I'm a Michigan alum - go Blue! Although it's not looking so good for us - we shall see. Just glad my nanners are doing better than our football team has in the past few years. Thanks again and happy growing!

stumpy4700 09-02-2009 12:15 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 94577)
Jeff,

Thanks for the response and the advice. It's been in the low 40's the past two nights and the Siams have held up just fine. This week looks good with high 70's and 80's during the day so I figure I have a couple of weeks left. I've already reduced watering with the colder weather. As for the "goooo Buckeyes," that's the biggest flaw in your response. I'm a Michigan alum - go Blue! Although it's not looking so good for us - we shall see. Just glad my nanners are doing better than our football team has in the past few years. Thanks again and happy growing!
:) :nanadrink: Its still nice to have a Big Ten fan here to combat all the SEC and Pac-10 fans here.

sirmoebly 09-02-2009 08:14 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Gooo bluuee just got in trouble again.......I feel for you..........

Scuba_Dave 09-02-2009 08:19 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
We've been getting down to the mid 50's here
But today & tomorrow close to 80
I started to close the windows on the greenhouse
And I put the 1st 2 storm windows back on the West side

sirmoebly 09-02-2009 08:59 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
Hey scuba dave hows the wellspring orders working out for you????? Mine did pretty good. Prometheus don't worry to much about michigan, tough school they will come back......

Scuba_Dave 09-02-2009 09:09 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
They are doing OK
I probably should have transplanted them to bigger pots
But it's so close to time to put them away I'm not going to bother
They are pretty big - not that tall
I need to take some updated pics

hammer 09-15-2009 05:30 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
I have a question when do you bring them indoors just right before frost or let a little frost get the leaves as the leaves comes off anyway the only thing is that it may frost at night and get in the 70s in the day that would be to warm during the day if you put them inside i think that would be to warm.

cowboyup4christ 09-15-2009 05:59 PM
Re: Time to put the bananas to sleep for the Winter
 
moved all of mine into the green house except the balbasinia and the bordelon.
the leaves on the Cavendish and the gold fingers were turning brown and also on two of my dwarf Orinocos that I potted for the greenhouse. I hope they are ok, I use a potting soil that had no fertilizer and just added my own, hope it's just shock form coming out of the ground into the pot. will add pictures of new naner house and plants to gallery

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/water...e=23116&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/water...e=23115&size=1
any help would be great don't want to kill them

Oh this is where they will live for the winter
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/water...e=23117&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/water...e=23119&size=1


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