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What you think guys? Any thoughts on the ID of this..

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Yea! .... It is a BA NAN A.

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Hi Ben

Looks like Namwah pearl, could be wrong.

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Definitely a banana. ;--)

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Darn, I did get one right. :--)

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Very cool. The only one I've seen with that look is the namwa pearl. Someone was selling them on eBay a few years back.

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Thought so, thanks guys. Havent seen it up close or there would be better pics. Soon....

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It could be anything really, plants like that are often produced from strongly variegated cultivars like 'A'ea'e', but they are not viable once separated from the mat. Judging by the looks of it, it's a recently separated young sucker that was potted up, I wouldn't get too excited that it can survive for too long.They are definitely interesting specimens, but with little to no chlorophyll they normally cannot persist on their own. Even if they are left intact in a mat, I have never seen one make it to fruiting.

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Very cool...

Looks like the Namwa Phantom. I've grown thousands of variegated bananas, including the Phantom which lived on it's own for a little over a year. Their variegation is quite different than the pure white of the Manini. The nice thing is you never know what the next leaf will be and if you look closely some of the cream color will have noticeably more chlorophyll.

Good Luck

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I've grown hundreds of these strongly variegated specimens and most of what you wrote is not correct. Although this post isn't as bad as your Santa Claus one, it's probably just based on a lack of actual growing experience. It's not possible to know when a specimen was separated from the mother plant and also there is no reason to believe these specimens are not capable of producing fruit. The fact that you have never seen it is really just anecdotal nonsense. These strongly variegated specimens behave similarly as other pups would while attached to the mother plant.

It's easy to see when the top plants were separated from the mother plant because the photos are dated. The bottom photo has no date but that strongly variegated specimen was separated from the mother plant about 4 to 5 months ago.

Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?
 

IIP,
So tell us what you really think!
I am somewhat new to this; but I agree that identifying when it was cut from the mother plant is very difficult to say. And I have grown other types of plants and trees that came from under dense canopies that did not get good lighting. And let them acclimate from short light duration to full light over time and they did just fine.

Craig:bananas_b

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In the spirit of sharing knowledge and experience, and not just putting others down, I'd truly enjoy seeing some evidence of what you're trying to refute me on.

So please, for all of our benefit and interest, if you can show us a pure or nearly pure-white banana plant that has grown to maturity on it's own (not a single shoot on a mat with normally green-variegated leaves), established a healthy mat and fruited normally, I think we would all love to see that.

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Bit of an update on this - exposure to the sun changes its colour significantly....

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So - additional thoughts? clearly not namwa pearl or phantom.
Ps this is from a supplier of mine that has found this in a new line of stock - its not a one off but in establishing the plant has exposed it to sunlight and its greened up....others of the same plants are the same yellowy white as above.

Anybody seen anything like this before?

I have variegated basjoo that does similar - loses it variegation with sun exposure, so Im thinking similar genetic? mutation as that but covering the entire leaf?

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Anybody is capable of making a bunch of mistakes in a post and nobody was putting you down. I often expect more out of folks then they expect from themselves and if it makes you feel better to interpret that as "putting others down"... go for it.

I have noticed your inability to either read or remember what was written is typical with your replies, so where exactly did you imagine reading something about "a pure or nearly pure-white banana plant that has grown to maturity on it's own, established a healthy mat and fruited normally".

In the spirit of sharing knowledge and experience, and not just filling valuable internet space, I think all of us here would love to see you explain that.

Now try to stay focused on what was actually written.

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Yeah... that happens to the namwa phantom but the leaves only get slightly more greenish after extended sun exposure.

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I can't speak for Gabe but from the quote above I would be led to believe you had mats of them all over. I was looking forward to seeing them fruiting... Were the bananas white as well?

Also, sometimes your posts do seem insulting and confrontational, especially for someone as credentialed as Gabe is. I am not saying Gabe cannot be wrong, but show other people a little respect. We are not all out to hurt you, we just want to partake in your banana wisdom and share what we have observed. This board needs to be a fun place where people can share ideas. Don't expect so much out of other people as we are all prone to making mistakes, even you. Work on that, please.
We all enjoy your input and especially your wonderful pictures but we don't need the confrontation and drama. We are here to have fun, light conversation about bananas and find help with our banana problems. Let's all just stick to that. :nanadrink:

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What color were the fruit going to be, but more importantly what color were the bracts going to be? Those questions were the impetus behind doing the work necessary to find the answers, more accurately said it's trading a perfectly good bunch of fruit for an inferior bunch.

If you are truly interested maybe you will also do the work necessary to get your answers.

I have plenty of plants to choose from so picking the best plants to use was easy. The only thing I had to do was remove the inflorescence of a perfectly good mother plant immediately after flowering and let nature do it's thing. Unfortunately the first one flowered on August 21 and nature did it's thing on September 20. The next one flowered on October 18 exactly 4 weeks after nature did it's thing and now I'm waiting to find out if sister support is enough to fill the fruit.

Banana plants are easy to manipulate, you just need to know what you are trying to accomplish.

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Woohooo Sounds like Keith will be selling short cycle whities next year! I’m excited? Sounds like an all white from pup to flower is 4 weeks!! Please keep us updated on the fill time. Amazing!!

I haven’t seen any reports or pics of the Musa Florida bunches from the thousands of Florida pups sold this spring? Could anyone PLEASE post your results of this short cycle plant? It was exactly 4 weeks from pup to flower also wasn’t it? Seems like 4 weeks is a good number. Sadly all 5 of my Floridas still haven’t bloomed. Slow growth from them in my area. Could be something I’m doing wrong. I Just harvested 2 pickup loads of other varieties! “See link below for pictures” Most were spring pups like the floridas. Really surprised me! So please post your Musa Florida bunches! I honestly want to know if it’s just me!!

Thank you Gabe for the excellent information on solid white pups! Which from my experience i agree with 100%. I cull all my whities. All greens from variegated musas is where it’s at! My all green Musa Florida is growing great! And Finally after 2 years+ i have an all green AEAE pup!! Very excited about it!

It seems some people in this world just love conflict. Instead of being kind to others they choose to bully and attack them. Instead of being jealous of others knowledge or understanding, or whatever it is, we should be thankful they are here and choose to help us learn!!

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Hi Ty, I'll have a Tuu Gia ready for you soon