Musa 'Ae Ae'

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- 5.1 Known Afflictions
6 Research Notes
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Cultivar Name

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Synonyms

Musa 'aeae', Musa 'ae ae', Musa AeAe, Musa aeae, Musa 'AeAe', ae ae, AeAe, aeae, AEAE, Ae Ae, Sacred Banana, Koae, Hawaiian variegated, koa'e, Manini,

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Pictures

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(credit MediaHound)

(credit Yug)

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(credit harveyc)

(credit damaclese)

(credit PR-Giants)

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Description

Koa'e is the tropic bird and (a'e a'e) means 'hair prematurely graying' and the manini fish has light and dark stripes. A maoli variety bananaplant. Spectacular variegated leaves of multishades of green and white colors and they even produce variegated fruit. Fruit is tasty ripe or cooked. Primarily a dessert banana. This banana is limited in supply and somewhat expensive. It has not yet been propagated successfully using tissue culture. Only one in 4 pups retain the white variegation of the mother corm. That is why it remains rare. This variety has a colorful foliage, green and white, and some even have pink margins on their petioles. Beautiful but demanding. Need some special care to show its best: acid soil (ph 6.0 or less), partial shade and protection from high winds to prevent drying and sun burning.

Genetic Group - AAB

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Origin

Hawaii

No one knows were the Ae Ae was first found. Hawaii has no native bananas. They may have gotten the Ae Ae the same way we did, from the East. It's been in south Florida for 50 years (I've had mine for 45+ years). There are new forms of the Ae Ae and they may come from Hawaii. I know of 2 new forms of Ae Ae and they are easier to grow. JNS at http://aeaebananasincoralgables.blogspot.com/

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Usage

Cooking, dessert, and ornamental foliage. Unusual because it's not common for a banana to share these three uses.

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Flowering

Time To Bloom - 18 months.

Time To Harvest -

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Cultivation

Mature Height - 18ft.

Survival Zone - 9b

Fruiting Zone -

Cold Hardiness -

Wind -

Taste Description -

Growing tips

Grows well in moderate to high humidity. Will get brown spots in low humidity. Does well under artificial lighting (standard fluorescent grow lighting). Likes to be watered regularly. Feed heavily (10-10-10) to keep green to white balance. Higher nitrogen helps to maintain greener leafs. It's been stated that Ae Ae like acid soil, but this plant has been grown successfully in highly alkaline soil and water conditions (7.0 in Las Vegas, NV USA). Appears to be less susceptible to root and corm rot in higher Ph. Likes a very light and well-drained soil if grown in pots. Due to its mature hight, needs good ceiling clearances if grown indoors. In dry climates this plant has not demonstrated any of the difficulties that other growers in higher humidity climates have discussed. Needs lots of sun protection as the white area of each leaf will burn very easily. Does not like higher temps but has shown survivability in temps well over 105deg in a Mediterranean climate.

Personal Notes - I have not had success with Ae Ae, but would try again if it were very healthy stock. Apparently there are a few strains, some hardier than others. I failed with two plants from the same corm, a corm which I later found out did not survive a flooded container after a hurricane. So the strain I failed with is now lost anyway. Wish me good luck for next time, I would love to have one MediaHound 22:33, 2 November 2006 (EST)

In discussions with user "jnstropic" (Jordon) about 'Ae Ae' cultivation, he reports that his successfully 'Ae Ae' cultivation has been taken place with alkaline soils. Possibly, root formation is better in alkaline conditions. Once established he will often use a palm fertilizer but may use potassium nitrate to make plants more robust. harveyc Sept 6, 2007

Some have asked, "why don't they just tissue culture the 'Ae Ae'?"... Well, here is some info on why not...
Varig8 (miamimax)is quoted as saying:
"Now as for AeAe and variations on sucker coloration and amounts of variegation in them; AeAe is a somatic variegate as opposed to a genetic *variegate- (a 'sport'or chimera). Genetic variegates are stable and come true from seed and can easily be tissue cultured. In AeAe the amount of *variegation in each plant depends on; #1. How much mutant tissue is in the apical meristem, and #2. Where that mutant tissue is in the apical *meristem when a sucker is developing in the corm. This mutant tissue moves and revolves around the apical meristem. Some AeAe have LOTS of *white, some have a little with shades of different greens and greys.Some AeAe are completely green. They are ALL still AeAe. When the AeAe *produces suckers, they will oftentimes produce pure white suckers, which die right away if removed, or languish while feeding off the mother *until it eventually dies. It will also send up some normal green suckers, and then you'll get a few nice evenly proportioned variegated suckers. *This is the reason they remain expensive. The better variegated plant you start with, the better chance you have at getting more variegated *suckers, as this plant will have more mutant tissue in it's apical meristem." - source on the gardenweb forum at *http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg0107082717618.html
He also posted on this thread http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg0420263316572.html but I think Frank's (aka "Bigdog") comments *were *particularly helpful in explaining this (excerpt from Jun 26, 07 post):
Quote from Bigdog:
"There are periclinal, mericlinal, and sectorial arrangements in the apical meristem that can produce variegation. Periclinal arrangements are *where a layer of mutated tissue completely surrounds an inner core of nonmutated tissue. Mericlinal arrangements are where cells that carry the *mutant gene occupy only a part of the outer cell layer of the plant. Sectorial arrangements is where the mutated tissue involves a sector of the *stem but extends all the way from the surface to the center. This type is rare, usually only occuring in an embryo or root tip, and quickly *reverts to either periclinal or mericlinal chimeras. I believe that the AeAe fall under the mericlinal category. I'm not really certain what *somatic variegation is...although I thought it had something to do with tissue culture. Anyhow, tissue culturing a mericlinal chimera would *result in an all-green or all-white plant it would seem, depending on where the tissue was taken on the apical meristem."
posted by klemmthamm November 26, 2007 - credit to harveyc for finding the excerpts

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Known Afflictions

Sun damage to young plants, but they can be acclimated to full sun, provided everything else is in good order, such as moisture.

Pests -

Susceptible Diseases -

Resistant Diseases -

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Research Notes

Typical Price Range - $50.00

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Members Growing This Banana

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External

Links
Ae Ae Contest!
The Opinionated Gardener of Coral Gables' page on Ae Ae
My Ae Ae's brother

Sources

Retrieved from "http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_%27Ae_Ae%27"

 ==Cultivar Name==
-The single most mentioned or accepted cultivar name.
 ===Synonyms===
-[[Musa 'aeae']], [[Musa 'ae ae']], [[Musa AeAe]], [[Musa aeae]], [[Musa 'AeAe']], [[ae ae]], [[AeAe]], [[aeae]], [[AEAE]], [[Ae Ae]], Sacred Banana, Koae, Hawaiian variegated
+[[Musa 'aeae']], [[Musa 'ae ae']], [[Musa AeAe]], [[Musa aeae]], [[Musa 'AeAe']], [[ae ae]], [[AeAe]], [[aeae]], [[AEAE]], [[Ae Ae]], [[Sacred Banana]], [[Koae]], [[Hawaiian variegated]],
+[[koa'e]], [[Manini]],
 ==Pictures==
-*:''(Local file links to display the various pictures.)''
+http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=1436&size=1&filefix=.jpg
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=1 MediaHound])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=47498 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=47498&size=1&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=8681 Yug])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49423 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49423&size=1&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=8681 Yug])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49460 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49460&size=1&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=8681 Yug])
+http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/jpicazio/ae%20ae%20banana/01010043.jpg
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=384 jeffreyp])
+http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=1019&size=1&filefix=.jpg
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=381 tyoro0219])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5488&ppuser=775 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=5488&size=1&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=775 harveyc])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5489&ppuser=775 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=5489&size=1&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=775 harveyc])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13844&ppuser=2612 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=13844&size=1&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=2612 damaclese])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=55386 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=55386&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=12081 PR-Giants])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56777 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56777&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=12081 PR-Giants])
+[http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56934 http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56934&filefix=.jpg]
+(credit [http://www.bananas.org/member.php?u=12081 PR-Giants])
 ==Description==
-Spectacular variegated leaves of multishades of green and white colors and they even produce variegated fruit. Fruit is tasty ripe or cooked. Primarily a dessert banana.  This banana is very rare and limited in supply. This plant is very expensive. It has not yet been propagated successfully using tissue culture. Only one in 4 pups retain the white variegation of the mother corm. That is why it remains rare. This variety has a colorful foliage. green and white.  Need some special care to show its best: acid soil (ph 6.0 or less) , partial shade and protection from high winds to prevent drying and sun burning. Beautiful but demanding  Acid soil ph 6.0 or less mandatory. partial shade.
+Koa'e is the tropic bird and (a'e a'e) means 'hair prematurely graying' and the manini fish has light and
+dark stripes. A maoli variety bananaplant.
+Spectacular variegated leaves of multishades of green and white colors and they even produce variegated fruit. Fruit is tasty ripe or cooked. Primarily a dessert banana.  This banana is limited in supply and somewhat expensive. It has not yet been propagated successfully using tissue culture. Only one in 4 pups retain the white variegation of the mother corm. That is why it remains rare. This variety has a colorful foliage, green and white, and some even have pink margins on their petioles. Beautiful but demanding. Need some special care to show its best: acid soil (ph 6.0 or less), partial shade and protection from high winds to prevent drying and sun burning.
-*Genetic Group - AA?
+*Genetic Group - AAB
 ===Origin===
 Hawaii
+No one knows were the Ae Ae was first found.  Hawaii has no native bananas.  They may have gotten the Ae Ae the same way we did, from the East.  It's been in south Florida for 50 years (I've had mine for 45+ years).  There are new forms of the Ae Ae and they may come from Hawaii.  I know of 2 new forms of Ae Ae and they are easier to grow. JNS at http://aeaebananasincoralgables.blogspot.com/
 ===Usage===
 Cooking, dessert, and ornamental foliage. Unusual because it's not common for a banana to share these three uses.
 ==Flowering==
-General description of the bloom, unique flower features, etc.
-*Time To Bloom - (Average number of days to maturity starting from 1 ft pup pseudostem height under tropical conditions. If this is known, one can extrapolate this into number of warm days here in the US and estimate how long it would take to bloom.)
+*Time To Bloom - 18 months.
-*Time To Harvest - (Average number of days (starting from full flag leaf extrusion) to harvest (when the first hands start to turn yellow) under tropical conditions. Again, this can be extrapolated into the US growing conditions by counting the number of warm days under our conditions. Together with the number of days to bloom, the overall speed can be ranked as to which are fast growing or not.)
+*Time To Harvest -
 ==Cultivation==
 *Fruiting Zone -
-*Cold Hardiness General - (The general accepted cold hardiness zone based on review.)
+*Cold Hardiness -
-** Cold Hardiness Personal  - (Your personal cold hardiness scoring based on actual experiences relative to other cultivars grown and also from interviews of reliable friends and colleagues about their experiences in growing the same banana in their USDA zones. After you input data in this field, please sign your entry using these characters  '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' (four tildes). This will insert your name and the timestamp.
-*Wind - (Your experience with this banana and it's resistance to wind)
+*Wind -
-*Taste Description - (General taste description and average of personal ranking by various growers.)
+*Taste Description -
+*Growing tips
+Grows well in moderate to high humidity. Will get brown spots in low humidity. Does well under artificial lighting (standard fluorescent grow lighting). Likes to be watered regularly. Feed heavily (10-10-10) to keep green to white balance. Higher nitrogen helps to maintain greener leafs. It's been stated that Ae Ae like acid soil, but this plant has been grown successfully in highly alkaline soil and water conditions (7.0 in Las Vegas, NV USA). Appears to be less susceptible to root and corm rot in higher Ph. Likes a very light and well-drained soil if grown in pots. Due to its mature hight, needs good ceiling clearances if grown indoors. In dry climates this plant has not demonstrated any of the difficulties that other growers in higher humidity climates have discussed. Needs lots of sun protection as the white area of each leaf will burn very easily. Does not like higher temps but has shown survivability in temps well over 105deg in a Mediterranean climate.
+*Personal Notes - I have not had success with Ae Ae, but would try again if it were very healthy stock. Apparently there are a few strains, some hardier than others. I failed with two plants from the same corm, a corm which I later found out did not survive a flooded container after a hurricane. So the strain I failed with is now lost anyway. Wish me good luck for next time, I would love to have one [[User:MediaHound|MediaHound]] 22:33, 2 November 2006 (EST)
+In discussions with user "jnstropic" (Jordon) about 'Ae Ae' cultivation, he reports that his successfully 'Ae Ae' cultivation has been taken place with alkaline soils.  Possibly, root formation is better in alkaline conditions.  Once established he will often use a palm fertilizer but may use potassium nitrate to make plants more robust. harveyc Sept 6, 2007
+*Some have asked, "why don't they just tissue culture the 'Ae Ae'?"... Well, here is some info on why not...
+*
+*
+*Varig8 (miamimax)is quoted as saying:
+*"Now as for AeAe and variations on sucker coloration and amounts of variegation in them; AeAe is a somatic variegate as opposed to a genetic *variegate- (a 'sport'or chimera). Genetic variegates are stable and come true from seed and can easily be tissue cultured. In AeAe the amount of *variegation in each plant depends on; #1. How much mutant tissue is in the apical meristem, and #2. Where that mutant tissue is in the apical *meristem when a sucker is developing in the corm. This mutant tissue moves and revolves around the apical meristem. Some AeAe have LOTS of *white, some have a little with shades of different greens and greys.Some AeAe are completely green. They are ALL still AeAe. When the AeAe *produces suckers, they will oftentimes produce pure white suckers, which die right away if removed, or languish while feeding off the mother *until it eventually dies. It will also send up some normal green suckers, and then you'll get a few nice evenly proportioned variegated suckers. *This is the reason they remain expensive. The better variegated plant you start with, the better chance you have at getting more variegated *suckers, as this plant will have more mutant tissue in it's apical meristem."  - source on the gardenweb forum at *http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg0107082717618.html
+*
+*
+*He also posted on this thread http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/banana/msg0420263316572.html but I think Frank's (aka "Bigdog") comments *were *particularly helpful in explaining this (excerpt from Jun 26, 07 post):
+*
+*
+*Quote from Bigdog:
+*"There are periclinal, mericlinal, and sectorial arrangements in the apical meristem that can produce variegation. Periclinal arrangements are *where a layer of mutated tissue completely surrounds an inner core of nonmutated tissue. Mericlinal arrangements are where cells that carry the *mutant gene occupy only a part of the outer cell layer of the plant. Sectorial arrangements is where the mutated tissue involves a sector of the *stem but extends all the way from the surface to the center. This type is rare, usually only occuring in an embryo or root tip, and quickly *reverts to either periclinal or mericlinal chimeras. I believe that the AeAe fall under the mericlinal category. I'm not really certain what *somatic variegation is...although I thought it had something to do with tissue culture. Anyhow, tissue culturing a mericlinal chimera would *result in an all-green or all-white plant it would seem, depending on where the tissue was taken on the apical meristem."
+*
+*posted by klemmthamm November 26, 2007 - credit to harveyc for finding the excerpts
-*PersonalNotes - (Personal notes about this variety as it performs in your yard.  Start a new line by using an asterisk. After you input data in this field, please sign your entry using these characters  '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' (four tildes). This will insert your name and the timestamp.
 ===Known Afflictions===
+Sun damage to young plants, but they can be acclimated to full sun, provided everything else is in good order, such as moisture.
 *Pests -
-*Susceptible Diseases - (Known diseases that this cultivar is susceptible to)
+*Susceptible Diseases -
-*Resistant Diseases - (Known diseases that this cultivar is resistant to)
+*Resistant Diseases -
 ==Research Notes==
-*All useful research note compilations.
-*Links to useful discussion threads in the forum (aside from the discuss tab at the top of this page), like this:
-[http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=869 California Gold]
-*Typical Price Range - (Common prices, including shipping and handling.)
+*Typical Price Range - $50.00
 ===Members Growing This Banana===
 <googlemap lat="29.840644" lon="-26.015625">
-.063414, -80.253582, My Ae Ae did not survive. I would like to try it again someday. [[User:MediaHound]]
+.063414912034293, -80.25358263521576, I'm growing Ae Ae! [[User:MediaHound]]29.54239832, -95.2312088, Bananaman88-Pearland TX [[User:bananaman88]]
+.14559382685236, -121.68171644210815, [[User:harveyc]]
+.22084858508668, -115.15327870845795, [[User:Chironex]]
+.94243575255426, -115.13671875, [[User:damaclese]]
+.50000000000000, 23.00000000, [[User:BB73]]
+.359841397025537, -97.49679565429687, [[User:Jananas Bananas]]
+.012024305358544, -81.03127241134644, [[User:srash]]
+.451109, -158.0156, [[User:Yug]]
+.291248399167, -80.417175292968, [[User:bananimal]]
 </googlemap>
 ==External==
 *Links
-*:Example: [http://www.bananas.org International Banana Society]
+*:[http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=1508 Ae Ae Contest!]
+*:[http://togofcoralgables.com/AeAebananas.aspx The Opinionated Gardener of Coral Gables' page on Ae Ae]
+*:[http://togofcoralgables.com/MyAeAesBrother.aspx My Ae Ae's brother]
 *Sources
-*:Where this cultivar may be acquired; possible listing of sources and other nurseries.

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