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heynow 08-28-2009 05:04 PM

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I am not superstitious but I would think twice before bringing a banana on my boat!
:waving:

Taylor 08-28-2009 05:22 PM

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Do you believe in what you see? Or do you see what you believe in?

Does reality differ from person to person or is it a constant?

What is knowledge? Does it differ from belief? Are knowledge and beliefs the same thing?

What is truth?

What is sufficient justification?

Tell me what you think, folks.

Richard 08-28-2009 05:57 PM

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Taylor! Those are questions for Cheryl, the Prolific Epistemologist!

Taylor 08-28-2009 06:09 PM

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So true!!!

Kim 08-29-2009 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 93598)
I've got a 1 pound ball of plastic and a 1 pound ball of lead. From the same height, which will fall faster?

To answer Richard's question, We have to ASSUME the ball was picked up then carried to a specific height, place the balls over the edge of something and release them at the same time, then watch them fall only to land on the ground.

:paracaidi :paracaidi

Logic vs Assumptions



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Originally Posted by supermario (Post 93609)
Objects vs Action
umm.....got me there.

Think of a ladder :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 93682)
Feathers (opposed to plastic)....commonality of a belief in what's unknown....leave those things a mystery.

A POUND of anything is still a POUND. :weightliftingnaner:

Commonality vs Belief




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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 93684)
...use a scarecrow......but Do Luv studying the old pagan stuff - It's lots of fun!

Old vs New :0491: :07:




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Originally Posted by bob (Post 93683)
read about old European agrarian customs ie: superstitions...think of them as I do my own gardening.

Activity vs Recall :gif_esqui :moonwalknaner:




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Originally Posted by heynow (Post 93704)
I would think twice before bringing a banana on my boat!

Thought vs Response :2755: :2223:




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Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 93712)
Do you believe in what you see? Or do you see what you believe in?

Your other statments are very encouraging. Keep it up.

Mind vs Sight :2182: :2215:



At what point can things be explained through Logic where many things are assumed? The power of thought is known to change what we see or hear. Again I'm looking for Key words and in no way trying to change your statments. Keep the superstitions coming. I hope this is fun for everyone.

Thanks again everyone.

Eric 08-29-2009 06:36 PM

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Wow!!
You guys are Real Philosophers! Not sure what it means, though, I'd probably flunk it as quick as I'd flunk Psychology (thanx Spell-Checker).

Kim 08-29-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 93894)
Wow!!
You guys are Real Philosophers!

Thanks for the thought Eric.
But I can only speak for myself and I am No Philosopher :2702: by any means. I just like to increase my knowledge :banana-computer: about things that happen within our society as seen first hand.

Here are a couple of definitions found in "Webster's New World Dictionary." Second College Edition, Deluxe Color Edition; Copyright 1970, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1982, and 1984 by Simon & Schuster, Inc."

:lurk:

Superstition
su-per-sti-tion (soo'per stish'en) n. [ME. supersticion < M Fr. < L. superstito, excessive fear of the gods, superstition, orig., a standing still over < superstare, to stand over < super-, SUPER- + stare, to STAND] 1. any belief or attitude, based on fear or ignorance, that is inconsistent with the known laws of science or with what is generally considered in the particular society as true and rational; esp., such a belief in charms, omens, the supernatural, etc. 2. any action or pratice based on such a belief or attitude 3. such beliefs or attitudes collectively

Superstitious
su-per-sti-tious (-es) adj. 1. of, characterized by, or resulting from superstition 2. having superstitions

Example; Will somebody chose the icon by preference of the color or by superstition of the color? :banana_ba :09: :bananas_g :0513: :0520: :gif_rojo:

Lets do a survey:

A. Preference of Color and Why?

B. Superstitious of Color and Why?



Thanks everyone. Let me know if you want me to stop and I'll put this Thread to :bed:

Eric 08-29-2009 09:26 PM

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For starts, I'd Luv to understand all the stuff that's going on but, so far, all I've learned much is to duck, run, or fight. And thanx for the dictionary definition.
As for the survey:
Well, the 3rd one must be lazy or on a coffee break :ha: ! Me, I'd just do it by colors and it just depends. Sometimes colors of the rainbow are great cause they're in a natural, prismatic sequence. But I Luv red and yellows cause they're firey colors and I'm a little firey myself. But cold colors are great, especially in the summer!

Wow! Looks like the purple nanner's off his coffee break, now!
What!? Now he's asleep again.... Real unpredictable!

sbl 08-30-2009 09:36 AM

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My simple definition of a superstitious person: A person that believes that something good or bad will follow specific actions based on unfounded beliefs, for example "We will win if I wear my red shirt". The belief may be based on observations or correlations that are factual and accurate, but have no logical basis for the correlations. For example--the team may have won in the past when I wore my red shirt--or may have lost when I didn't.

Modern scientific knowledge is based on falsifiable hypotheses, since it is often impossible to prove the truth, but much easier to prove that something is false. A win when I am wearing my red shirt does not prove my superstition, but a loss while I am wearing my red shirt does prove it wrong.

Eric 08-30-2009 11:20 AM

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Not sure I understand "falsifiable hypothessis" but, from what ya said, must be something like "process of elimination". I've noticed that happening a lot and it can be misleading, too. Still trying to figure out what colors have to do with superstision, not familiar with that, yet. One thing for sure, whatever had the rabbit's foot, before me, was Anything but lucky :ha: !
Okay, dumb joke, but somebody here knows something about colors & superstision and it's got my curiosity going.

sbl 08-30-2009 12:59 PM

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A falsifiable hypothesis: A hypothesis that can be tested and proven false. We often use a null hypothesis (the opposite of what we really want to prove), because we can prove that false.

An example--Hypothesis: Bananas will grow faster with added nitrogen fertilizer.

Our null hypothesis would be: Bananas will not grow faster with added nitrogen fertilizer.

The experiment would need to be replicated and measurements set up so that they could be analyzed using statistics. If we tried to test the original hypothesis, we would probably find it true, but we would not know how true or how certain we could be that it was true. But the null hypothesis would probably be found to be false and we would be able to use statistics to say how certain we are that the hypothesis is false--ie 95% or 99%.

Eric 08-30-2009 01:25 PM

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Wow! Took a little time but I get it, now. Just cause ya add nitrogen doesn't absolutely mean that's what caused it to grow faster. So ya do the opposite to see if that might be what caused it. Jeeps! That's a whole new way to think about it! And the null hypothesis is to make sure you're right. Thanx Sbl :) !

BTW, still can't figure out what colors have to do with superstision, guys.

Kim 08-30-2009 06:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 93922)
...And thanx for the dictionary definition....As for the survey:...Sometimes colors of the rainbow are great cause they're in a natural, prismatic sequence. But I Luv red and yellows cause they're firey colors and I'm a little firey myself. But cold colors are great, especially in the summer!

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 93990)
...what colors have to do with superstision,...One thing for sure, whatever had the rabbit's foot, before me, was Anything but lucky....colors & superstision and it's got my curiosity going.

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 94022)
... Just cause ya add nitrogen doesn't absolutely mean that's what caused it to grow faster. So ya do the opposite to see if that might be what caused it. Jeeps! That's a whole new way to think about it! And the null hypothesis is to make sure you're right. Thanx Sbl...BTW, still can't figure out what colors have to do with superstision, guys.

Eric, You are welcome for the definition and Thank you for your input.
Your first quote seems to be:
Preference of Color. :bananarow:

Your second quote falls in the line of:
Objects vs Action :basketbalhooplnaner
Your third quote opens up to another way of thinking. :2702: As for the Colors and how they relate to fear of being superstitious, see following examples:

Red vehicles are fast when standing motionless--Fear of a speeding ticket. :mad:

Blue, the color of water--Fear of drowning. :eek:
Green paint on a race car (in the older days)--Fear of an accident. :2703:
Brown the color of dirt--fear of death. :2729:

Are these Superstitions or Preferences?

Fear is a major point of Superstitious behavior. :2710:


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Originally Posted by sbl (Post 93599)
My simple definition of a superstitious person: A person that believes that something good or bad will follow specific actions based on unfounded beliefs, for example "We will win if I wear my red shirt". The belief may be based on observations or correlations that are factual and accurate, but have no logical basis for the correlations. For example--the team may have won in the past when I wore my red shirt--or may have lost when I didn't....Modern scientific knowledge is based on falsifiable hypotheses, since it is often impossible to prove the truth, but much easier to prove that something is false. A win when I am wearing my red shirt does not prove my superstition, but a loss while I am wearing my red shirt does prove it wrong.

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Originally Posted by sbl (Post 94014)
A falsifiable hypothesis: A hypothesis that can be tested and proven false. We often use a null hypothesis (the opposite of what we really want to prove), because we can prove that false....An example--Hypothesis: Bananas will grow faster with added nitrogen fertilizer....Our null hypothesis would be: Bananas will not grow faster with added nitrogen fertilizer....The experiment would need to be replicated and measurements set up so that they could be analyzed using statistics. If we tried to test the original hypothesis, we would probably find it true, but we would not know how true or how certain we could be that it was true. But the null hypothesis would probably be found to be false and we would be able to use statistics to say how certain we are that the hypothesis is false--ie 95% or 99%.


Thank you for your input sbl. I'm currious; What percentage of spectators wore red shirts to the games?

Facts vs hypothesis

My next question deals with :aliennaner: UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects) or USO's (Unidentified Submersable Object). Many people relate UFO's / USO's to extraterrestrial space crafts. I have seen many things in our sky that I could not identify. (More than others because of my military career).

---idea for icon: Nanner in a plane---


Anyway, here's the next question.

Is it superstition (fear of the unknown) or fact that determines a response from anyone who see's a UFO in the sky?

momoese 08-30-2009 06:11 PM

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Kim, what fact would there be?

momoese 08-30-2009 06:14 PM

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Green paint on a race car (in the older days)--Fear of an accident.
If I remember correctly it had more to do with green cars not winning races. Edit: A quick search reveals not many green cars won because not many raced.

Eric 08-30-2009 06:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim (Post 94078)
---idea for icon: Nanner in a plane---

Anyway, here's the next question.
Is it superstition (fear of the unknown) or fact that determines a response from anyone who see's a UFO in the sky?

Just had to leave the Nanner-in-a-plane in. I have a huge collection of aircraft books & models.
Gotta admit, my response would be excitement Not fact. Spooky or not, I'd Luv to see a real spaceship from another planet! Fact would be best, though, and a lot of people would be Too Spooked.

BTW, Thanx for the color info. Think I'll just stick to how good they look :).

sbl 08-30-2009 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim (Post 94078)

Thank you for your input sbl. I'm currious; What percentage of spectators wore red shirts to the games?

Approximately half--Roll Tide!

Kim 08-31-2009 05:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by momoese (Post 94081)
Kim, what fact would there be?

As it relates to this question: Is it superstition (fear of the unknown) or fact that determines a response from anyone who see's a UFO in the sky? :aliennaner:

I believe superstitious individuals will respond differently because of their fear of the unknown :eek: . They let their superstitions guide them to a conclussion.

Then there are those individuals whom relate to the facts presented to them and respond occordingly letting the facts guide them to a conclussion. :2738:

Example: In both cases you'll have the same facts: Unidentified object, the sky, object moves or hovers, lights or no lights, sound or no sound, day or night, etc.

Only their methods to get to the conclussion will be different. But we can't leave out the possibility their conclussions could differ. :banana_ba :abajo:

Superstitions vs Facts


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Originally Posted by momoese (Post 94083)
If I remember correctly it had more to do with green cars not winning races. Edit: A quick search reveals not many green cars won because not many raced.

Was this the result of superstition caused by the fact that every race car painted green in the very early years of auto racing was always involved in an accident. Could this be the reason why not many green cars raced :confused: ? It's only been in the last 20 or so years that green painted race cars began to show up on the race track again. :D

Mind vs Sight :2702: vs :2740:

Thanks momoese.

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 94084)
Just had to leave the Nanner-in-a-plane in. I have a huge collection of aircraft books & models.
Gotta admit, my response would be excitement Not fact. Spooky or not, I'd Luv to see a real spaceship from another planet! Fact would be best, though, and a lot of people would be Too Spooked....BTW, Thanx for the color info. Think I'll just stick to how good they look .

Thanks Eric, I thought it was a good idea. Congratulation on your collection. And to reference the rainbow, I could watch them all day long if possible. :bananarow:

I believe in order for anybody to get excited (ie: UFO's), the Facts would have to be present on what is being observed. :2728:

Superstitions vs Conclussions
or
Facts vs Conclussions

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Originally Posted by sbl (Post 94090)
Approximately half--Roll Tide!

Thanks sbl;
Red seems to be a popular color there. I can't help but ask if the Red :2196: color was chosen by Superstition or Preference.


Please let me know if you disagree with my statments. I'm open to any suggestions and starved for more knowledge.

Thanks again everyone for your responses,

sbl 08-31-2009 07:21 AM

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I'm sure that for many the choice would be superstitious, but for me. it would be a demonstration of team support.

Kim 08-31-2009 04:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sbl (Post 94182)
I'm sure that for many the choice would be superstitious, but for me. it would be a demonstration of team support.

It feels good to have team spirit and support the team whenever possible.

:woohoonaner:


Sad to say, I stoped supporting teams when the sports went from a great spectator's game to a money grabbing buisness :mad:.

Anything for free, That's for me ;).

Thanks for your input sbl.


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