Wind Chill is Fake News
 

Or, more precisely, the pretense that it is important is fake. In my experience, during the Winter, TV meteorologists report the wind chill factor about twice as often as the actual temperature and often use fake synonyms such as "feels like temperature."

From Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill , "Wind-chill or windchill, (popularly wind chill factor) is the perceived decrease in air temperature felt by the body on exposed skin due to the flow of air."

That would be useful information, if you were naked outdoors. If you wear clothes, wind chill is nearly useless. If you want to estimate the cost of heating your house, wind chill is completely useless.

The reporting of wind chill factor is detrimental to society because:

1. It adulterates and obfuscates useful information such as the actual temperature and wind velocity. If the viewer isn't alert, he or she may mistake the reported wind chill factor for the actual temperature and make bad decisions. After all, wind chill is reported much more often than temperature.

2. The reporting of wind chill factor needlessly causes anxiety in many people because they are too stupid to know that it is unimportant.

If TV meteorologists were moral, they would report the temperature and wind velocity instead of the wind chill factor and give the formula and URL of a website for calculating the wind chill factor in a little banner across the bottom of the screen:



https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_windchill


In summary, TV meteorologists are moral scum, even the beautiful weather girls.

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https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_windchill

:woohoonaner::woohoonaner:

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An equation with variables is detrimental to society. And units like kcal/m2/h are even more dangerous!

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Suppose you grow banana plants outdoors in Florida. The weatherman reports a temperature of 33 deg. F. and a wind chill of 20 deg. F. (wind is 25 mph). You think, "Oh no, my banana plants are going to freeze!" Wrong, your banana plants will stay above freezing at 33 deg. F. . Similarly, you are in no danger of frost bite, even if you don't wear gloves or ear protection. Now, suppose the weatherman reports a temperature of 20 deg. F. and a wind chill of 20 deg. F. (the wind is zero). You reason, "I survived a wind chill of 20 deg. F. before without gloves and ear protection so I can do it again." Wrong, now you get frostbite and lose your ears and fingers, all because the weatherman convinced you that wind chill is important.

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I guess it may be useful to understand how long a banana plant can withstand sub-freezing temperatures. The more wind chill, the faster a plant will freeze.

A plot showing hourly wind chill and hourly temperature would be interesting. No matter what, if the weather man/woman is reporting a wind chill number it means wear winter clothes....

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You can guestimate everything you want to know more accurately from temperature and wind velocity. Velocity is speed and direction. Everyone knows that it feels worse when exposed skin faces the wind. And, everyone knows that walking/running in the wind direction lessens its cooling effect. Thus, wind chill is even more ill conceived because it doesn't take wind direction into account.

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got my own formula.

walked outside it was 37 f, the wind was blowing. I said @$#% &*@@ ?*^# ##^& its cold. went back inside.

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LMAO!.......walkinbeam strike again!......LOL!.......

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Yeah, always thought wind chill was a way people living in warm climates could complain about the winter, convincing themselves that 40F winters were really 20F winters.

"Just got back from Russia. Man, it was -5F over there. Cold!"
"Dude, it gets that cold here in Pensacola with the wind chill factor"

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Many years ago, while in flight school at NAS Pensacola, we had snow. Enough that some of the guys built a snowman.

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Snowmen are the universal language for fun.....

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Just in case...

Stuck tongue on a pseudostem

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NY - I grew up in Pensacola... You were part of once in 50 yr event. :goteam:

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Most people, especially women, sacrifice comfort for fashion. In the 1950s, girls in Chicago wore dresses, even at zero deg. F.. It was unusual to see girls in pants, even jeans. Also, earmuffs without other headgear were popular for boys and girls.

I walk over 30 miles/week for exercise in all kinds of weather and I regard myself an expert on practical attire for cold weather. The best head gear is a $3 ski mask. One ski mask is comfortable when the temperature is 15 to 32 deg. F. and two ski masks (two layers) are comfortable -10 to 15 deg. F.. And, when I go inside a store, I can store the ski masks in my coat pocket. The wind doesn't matter much except, when windy, it is slightly better to wear sun glasses to protect the eyes. For leg gear, I wear polyester sweat pants under regular pants. This is comfortable from -10 to 32 deg. F.. For the torso, I wear three layers. A tee shirt, a polyester sweat shirt, and a medium thickness coat that is much thinner than most people's coats. This is comfortable from -10 to 32 deg. F.. For hands, I just wear $6 plastic gloves. My footwear consists of one layer of cotton socks and $20 Dr. Scholl's sneakers with velcro straps from Walmart. I'm surprised that my feet never get cold, I can't explain it. But, if inadequate, the obvious thing to do is wear two layers of socks.

The point is that my attire in cold weather is unfashionable but absolutely comfortable. And, I am much more comfortable in the Winter than in the Summer.

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Just to prove my point that fashion takes precedence over comfort, here is a photo of three Russian women at -86 deg. F.:


I guarantee that these women would be more comfortable wearing three layers of $3 ski masks and sunglasses, but, then the fashion police would arrest them.

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by the snow on the branches of the trees I would say none.

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I am from Illinois. I used to work outdoors for hours in all kinds of cold. Your feet stay warm because you keep moving and likely have shoes which fit loosely, but a second par of socks restricts blood flow and makes them colder. I have tried. (Unless you wear shoes 4 sizes too big with xtra large socks over regular ones.) You are correct about the t shirt, long sleeve shirt of some kind and I wore a hoodie. (I added a stocking cap if it was really cold or windy.) Long johns under my jeans was always plenty warm.
Anyway, getting frozen tissue injuries, when it is 20 degrees out is rare as it's not really cold enough to freeze living flesh.
I agree, the wind chill is more to shock or scare viewers so they pay more attention to the news, which translates to ratings. For those who understand what it means, it can be helpful in saving time on math.
When it's really cold now, I put on jeans and a long sleeve shirt because I now live in Florida.

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As someone who is quite frequently that way at my cabin, it is very useful, particularly when there is snow on the ground. I have no power or running water, so I have to wash up with snow. If the wind were blowing, it would be a little uncomfortable.

Here in town, my neighbors tease me about not wearing a shirt when it's in the 20's, so a couple weeks back when we got several inches of snow on the ground, I went outside for a smoke, wearing a pair of shorts; no shirt, no shoes, and casually ambled around the yard. That really threw 'em for a loop.

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Why don't you bring the snow into the cabin, let it melt, and then wash yourself with soap and water, like the pioneers did?

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Bathing in snow (melted or otherwise) just doesn't appeal to me.
Outside showers in South Mississippi in mid July are waaay too cold.
I imagine the nanas don't like it either... :woohoonaner:

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Great question.

Fortunately, I have an even better answer.

My grandfather was a German soldier during WW1. I heard the stories about them washing naked in the snow. As a teen, I decided I would see if I had the same guff as he did. I did.

It's not bad. A little invigorating as all. Apparently, I inherited the same genes. I just don't feel cold the same way you do. My body temp is 96.8 and the summer kills me. It's all in the genes.

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I was questioning whether it was effective without soap. It's abrasive so I suppose it does exfoliate skin but, still, I have my doubts about removing oil from the face and hair.

My uncle in law was a German soldier fighting on the Russian front during WWII. He said he ate rats and hated it. I have no interest in eating any rodents, even rabbits.

My body temp is 98.6 and the summer kills me.

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Sure it is. You don't need soap in those temps. As you postulated, the snow is rough, and as it melts, it works as both soap and water.

Again, my temp is 96.8... not 98.6. Ice water will literally shut my throat down.

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Just out of curiosity, what happens when you get a fever?

As a child, I became delirious at 104. Fortunately, I haven't had a fever in 45 years, so I don't bother to get flu shots.

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I get a little light-headed. Back in the mid 90s when I was a general contractor, my dad and I were building a two story deck on this house. I kept missing the nails, and Dad sarcastically asked me why I wasn't hitting them. I said, "IDK Dad, maybe it's because I had a temp of 102 this morning." So my 102 was akin to your 104. As a kid, I did have a temp of 104 once, and my dumb ass mom was old school about it. Sweat a fever. She could have killed me.

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You know how mothers are supposed to swaddle babies? I seem to vaguely remember suffering from being too hot while swaddled. I probably suffered from being too hot in the womb, but, I don't remember it.

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It's that time of year again.



Where's global warming when you need it?

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Steve,

Gobal warming is just little south of you.

78 bucks round trip.....Steak and Shake and computer stores on every block.

Why build the wall?

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On my Firefox and Chrome, but not my Internet Explore browser, that plays as an embedded Youtube video. I thought embedded videos were no longer supported by bananas.org?

There were stories about that girl on TMZ but I forget her name. I think she is reporting Centigrade temperatures. On American TV, meteorologists sensationalize hot weather by reporting the temperature humidity index, which is almost as bad as reporting wind chill. I don't see her doing that. Maybe, it is strictly an American cultural phenomenon.

I wish a European member, especially a Russian, would tell me whether wind chill is reported so often where they live. Oh, and Canada too.

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Polar Vortex knocking on our door.

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Update:



If liberals had their way, we would have carbon taxes on natural gas, right now.

I had to look up the weather in Paris:

https://weather.com/weather/today/l/...+FRXX0076:1:FR

Wednesday's forecast high is 38 deg F. . If they rioted over carbon taxes, imagine what we would do.

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The amount and type of clothing differs for each person as well as each activity. If you are running, it is no surprise your feet stay warm. If someone was wearing that getup holding a sign for road construction, their feet would be cold. BTW, a second set of socks cuts off circulation and makes feet colder. LOOSE fitting clothes are best and in layers like you said. I used to work outside near Peoria, Il. I found hoodies and a stocking hat to be great in even the coldest weather. T shirt, Flannel shirt an a hoodie worked for me in even the coldest weather, but I am a cold hearty one. My wife would freeze in that in the same weather. As for gloves, get yourself to dollar tree and get the brown cotton jersey gloves.. thank me later.

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A second layer of socks won't cut off circulation, if your shoes are too big for one layer of socks. Did you ever wear five layers of socks in the summer just to make oversized shoes fit?

Anyway, I wear one layer of socks and the only time my feet are cold is when they are wet. I just finished walking 5 miles. It was 0 when I started and it is 10 now. I was absolutely comfortable. After stopping at home to take a pee and write this, I will walk another 5.

Tomorrow the daytime high is supposed to be -15, which, I think would be a record, but, Wednesdays are not exercise days for me.

At those temperatures, greenhouse heating gets strange because frost clogs air leaks in the structure. It reduces heating requirements but it increases the probability that the oxygen deprivation sensors in my open flame heaters will turn the heaters off. Good to be home, if that happens.

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Millions of Mexican men watch the weather every day and have no idea what it's like outside... :ha::ha::ha:

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I tried 2 pairs and they were tight and my feet were much colder than wearing one pair. Loose fitting shoes would work better to keep your feet warm. Keeps a nice pillow of warm air in there. Same as how loose fitting clothes work better than tight ones. My feet rarely got cold as long as I was moving around and working or something. Standing still, nothing but a heat source would keep them warm.

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I bet it's super, super hot!......Very hot!......Woohooo!......:ha::ha::ha:






:2723::bananarow::2723:

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It was -21 last night and it is -13 as I write this. I have remote, wireless, electronic thermometer sensors in my greenhouse and on the north side of my garage, on the outside of a door frame (so it is sheltered from precipitation). The receivers are hung on the wall next to me.

My greenhouse is 18' x 10', aluminum frame, covered with twin wall polycarbonate. I heat this with two open flame heaters. One is 30,000 btu/hr and has a built in thermostat. The other is 10,000 btu/hr and has no thermostat but has a manual control with two settings. I guess that the lower setting is about 7000 btu/hr.. In the winter, I normally have the lower setting on during the night and when it is cloudy, but, off when sunshine hits the greenhouse because that drives the temperature past 90 and opens the vents.

Normally, in the winter, the night temperature in my greenhouse fluctuates between 67 and 71, as the thermostat on my larger heater goes on and off. Last night, with my smaller heater set to low, my greenhouse temperature dropped to 61 which means the larger heater was on continuously. Thus, it took 37,000 btu/hr to keep my 180 square foot greenhouse at 61 deg. F..

Tonight, the outdoor temperature is supposed to be -25, so I turned my smaller heater to high to see whether 40,000 btu/hr is more than enough.

BTW, the padlocks on my greenhouse and garage were frozen and difficult to unlock. I had to warm the greenhouse padlock by gripping it with my bare hand for about 30 seconds. That didn't work with the garage padlock. I had to warm it with a blowtorch.

I can imagine situations where people die because they can't get into their home with a key because the lock is frozen.

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I just finished walking 5 miles. It was -21 when I started and -3 when I got home. That is according to my thermometer; according to TV news it is now -13. Automobile traffic was unusually low, like on Christmas day. There was evidence of dog owners not bothering to pick up their dog's droppings.

I wore 3 layers of ski masks, 1 layer of socks. Most of my discomfort came from walking on bumpy snow because about 1/3 of sidewalks are not shoveled. And, I have to walk over 3 ft. mounds of snow at crosswalks left by snowplows. Jogging under those conditions is impractical.

Now, I have to walk another 5 miles.

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Baby its cold outside

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The view from my window, yesterday:

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CGI?:)

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https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/js_a...egion=National

check out the other animations here
https://eldoradoweather.com/snow/wxallsnowhx.php

bring the cursor over a highlighted blue text then avoid the other highlighted lines as you go below the image where the season, 2 week and day animations are found

i like to set the speed in ms to 30

to youre question, here in canada they report the humidex and windchill

i hate the term and over use of: polar vortex