Presidential Candidates - Pro's and Con's - Page 5

damaclese · 08-02-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CookieCows

It IS leaning towards communism however the IQ testing I don't think is. I'd worry about dictatorship with that. Isn't everyone considered equal in communism with no one having more than your neighbor? I believe communism is what the objective was with the communes back in the 60's and man being the flawed beings that we are can't seem to make it work.

Our founding fathers examined what governments worked and what didn't throughout history and came up with something that has worked more than not, so far. It's starting to crumble I think and the noose is tightening around our necks as the Gov. takes more and more freedom away from us but as history shows.. nothing good seems capable of lasting forever.

It sounds like alot of people wish they had someone else to vote for other than the two that we have. Hopefully it won't need fixing but if it does... maybe next election we the people can see more clearly.

all mostly good points but as i said befor change is hard and takes a grate comitment i think fundametaly iv been misunderstod on this im taking about changeing are minds set the govermental thing will take care of its self as i stated preveasly i bealev that the problim is internal with us its are souls that are sick thers a fundamental lake of spirit that has invaded are sociaty as a hole

damaclese · 08-02-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by momoese

This is the problem that for years I have telling people about. I believe the two parties actually work together to keep out any 3rd party. They accomplish this with fear tactics on both sides leaving voters feeling like they have to vote for one or the other. For years I've told family and friends that the only way a third party will happen is if people in large numbers start voting that way. It will take many elections and possibly campaign finance reform before we see any real progress, but I do feel it's possible!

here here taking the mony motavation out of the equation would go along way to making thangs alot better

CookieCows · 08-02-2008, 11:35 AM

I know .. it's so easy to get misunderstood in posts. Sometimes I'll even go back and read what I've said and realize that I didn't even say it the way I was thinking it too well. But I hope that I see what you mean Pauly about when the people change as a whole, then the government will just fall into place. I agree with that and it makes total sense. I'm sorry, I took something simple and put too much thinking into it! DUH

As for a third party, fourth party .... YES... I wish a candidate in one of the parties that lost could just say.. OK.. I'm going under an independent party now and still running. That would only be fair in my opinion. I'd be more comfortable with a popular vote anyway.

Deb

damaclese · 08-02-2008, 09:51 PM

no problim Deb i would never take ofence to any thing said to me now i must just protest but thats my right heheheeh i know iv been quite abstract about all this the threed was about the canidates but thats me i like to get to the hart of things rather then dance around the thing andif we had a good life we would have good canidats thats how i see it so just for the record all finly make a statment about the two guys that are runing Nither! ones a facal of a bygon age that represents that 19 centurey modal of industrealisation i was talking about and the other on i just have a vibe about him im not so sure hes such a truth teller me thinks he doth ware sheaps clothing Lol and not to blame pepol for there spouses short comings i think his wife need charm lesence i know sounds all so triveal but i think its inportint to present a united front on theas things

proletariatcsp · 08-11-2008, 12:20 PM

I agree with the majority,

We need to restructure our electoral process. Simply voting a third party or not voting, are not the correct avenues to which traverse. And requiring a higher I.Q. standard in office, would inevitably lead to 'smarter criminals.'

No, the way it should be done is this.

1. The people of these great United States must propose a list that represents our current tribulations.

2. The house of Representatives would in turn vote the most important issues from that List, e.g. taxes, education, healthcare, etc.

3. Once the formalities are sorted out (i.e. a scoring system). These issues would become programs, which are then adopted by every States' future presidential parties.

4. During the 4 year term of the current President, the States prospective candidates will work to resolve or amend the issues of that List. At the end of the 4th year, the States candidates who have brought about the greatest reform, and who have no less, than aspired to the demands of their people would then be permitted to delegate their nominee.

I realize that some candidates, have done great things and brought about changes in their home States. The only difference from that, in what I am suggesting is these actions become requirements. Its time that this Country puts an end to the preservation of Presidential office for those with the most money.

This could work, this should work. But, it will never work so long as politicians continue 'auctioning themselves off to the highest bidders.'

paradisi · 08-11-2008, 10:57 PM

a point of view from an outsider

compulsory voting will get you a true representation of what the people want.

we have compulsory voting in australia - a lot of people whinge about having to spend half an hour in a line once every three years or so, but its worth it. We get what we elect. And usually whoever is elected is a representation of the peoples view.

Some of our states go a step further by having proportional representation - so that the minority parties are more truely represented.

just a thought about what you could do to improve a damaged system and make it a real democracy.

damaclese · 08-12-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by paradisi

a point of view from an outsider

compulsory voting will get you a true representation of what the people want.

we have compulsory voting in australia - a lot of people whinge about having to spend half an hour in a line once every three years or so, but its worth it. We get what we elect. And usually whoever is elected is a representation of the peoples view.

Some of our states go a step further by having proportional representation - so that the minority parties are more truely represented.

just a thought about what you could do to improve a damaged system and make it a real democracy.

we cant have compulsory voting its agenst the constatostion as one of your rights is not to vote. fredom of exspretion is a covited right here in the US! and boy do we exspres lol

CookieCows · 08-12-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by damaclese

we cant have compulsory voting its agenst the constatostion as one of your rights is not to vote. fredom of exspretion is a covited right here in the US! and boy do we exspres lol

We sure do!!

08-02-2008, 11:35 AM	#83 (permalink)
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08-11-2008, 12:20 PM	#85 (permalink)
proletariatcsp proletariatcsp's Photo Gallery Find me on the map! Zone: zone 9-10 Name: Chris in FL Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 81 BananaBucks : 1,792 Feedback: 0 / 0% Thanks: 14 Thanked 27 Times in 21 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Presidential Candidates - Pro's and Con's I agree with the majority, We need to restructure our electoral process. Simply voting a third party or not voting, are not the correct avenues to which traverse. And requiring a higher I.Q. standard in office, would inevitably lead to 'smarter criminals.' No, the way it should be done is this. 1. The people of these great United States must propose a list that represents our current tribulations. 2. The house of Representatives would in turn vote the most important issues from that List, e.g. taxes, education, healthcare, etc. 3. Once the formalities are sorted out (i.e. a scoring system). These issues would become programs, which are then adopted by every States' future presidential parties. 4. During the 4 year term of the current President, the States prospective candidates will work to resolve or amend the issues of that List. At the end of the 4th year, the States candidates who have brought about the greatest reform, and who have no less, than aspired to the demands of their people would then be permitted to delegate their nominee. I realize that some candidates, have done great things and brought about changes in their home States. The only difference from that, in what I am suggesting is these actions become requirements. Its time that this Country puts an end to the preservation of Presidential office for those with the most money. This could work, this should work. But, it will never work so long as politicians continue 'auctioning themselves off to the highest bidders.'

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