Paperless voting machines swithing votes - Page 3

momoese · 10-22-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Actually I was just reading about early voting in several counties across the U.S. where they have electronic voting installed at the registrars' office. To use it, the registrars office first verifies who you are. The device itself is touch-screen, and allows you to view your votes before you submit. It gives you a printed record. If your printed record shows choices you didn't want, you can try again. On the receiving end, the machine just prints a ballot for the registrars office to count.

Sounds promising, we'll have to see how it works.

Richard · 10-22-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by momoese

Sounds promising, we'll have to see how it works.

Uhm, it is working -- what do you mean?

The important thing to note is that it is hardwired to a printer in the registrars office so there is no man-in-the-middle opportunity: just the same risks that dropping off your mail-in ballot at the registrars office would have.

momoese · 10-22-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Uhm, it is working -- what do you mean?

I mean when all is said and done. Nothing is perfect.

Richard · 10-22-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by momoese

I mean when all is said and done. Nothing is perfect.

6 is perfect. So are 28, 496, and 8128.

Perfect number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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momoese · 10-22-2008, 04:23 PM

You and your numbers!

lt_eggbeater · 10-22-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by momoese

We own a 64 MG Midget that I restored for my wife when we first met, some 15 years ago. I painted it bright silver, something they never came in. She drove the car for years until a neighbor backed into it at about 25mph. The car was a total loss but I bought it back from the insurance company and have been slowly re-restoring it over the years. It's almost done again!

Cool, I have a 63 and a 65 sprite. I have a turbo charged 1275 that I'm thinking about dropping in one of them. Either that or we are thinking about putting it in a Morris Minor convertible that we are restoring. I have too many personal cars though. When we bulit our house a coule of years ago I wanted a 12 car garage and my wife wanted 4, we compromised on 8, and I am now totally out of room. When we built the house all I wanted control over was the home theater and the garage and she couldnt even give me that! lol.

momoese · 10-22-2008, 05:06 PM

Cool, I wish I had a garage that big! Is it climate controlled?

lt_eggbeater · 10-22-2008, 05:26 PM

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Cool, I wish I had a garage that big! Is it climate controlled?

Yah but I dont actually ever cool it or heat it. The fact that its insulated means its livable and I dont actually work in it.

momoese · 10-22-2008, 06:48 PM

The only thing your missing is Pacific Coast Highway!

lt_eggbeater · 10-22-2008, 06:55 PM

That is a problem.

momoese · 10-23-2008, 06:50 PM

So Richard, even if the robust system works like you say it does, we still have an issue this election. From what I understand the central tabulator "GEMZ" is easily hackable, as are most of the E machines currently in use, therefor the basis of our democracy is in serious danger. We are not all mailing in ballots, and there is not enough of the robust in place to make a difference. If someone wants to manipulate the current system it's doable. So what do we do this election?

Watch starting at 2:45 in. This is basically the same system in place now.

momoese · 10-23-2008, 07:04 PM

More

Report: E-Voting Systems Hackable - Security Fix

momoese · 10-23-2008, 07:10 PM

Canada has gone back to pen and paper after deciding E voting didn't work for them.

Is voting in Canada with a pencil and paper secure ? | Robin Majumdar 2.0

modenacart · 10-23-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by momoese

I've said it all along since the 2000 election, paperless voting machines are a bad idea! Here we go again!

The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports - News - More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes

I believe this turned out to be a couple of idiots that couldn't push the correct block on the screen.

momoese · 10-23-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by modenacart

I believe this turned out to be a couple of idiots that couldn't push the correct block on the screen.

That wouldn't surprise me, but the point is that we have serious issues with our voting system.

modenacart · 10-24-2008, 03:06 PM

Its hard to know what to do with idiots though.

I voted yesterday on an electronic voting machine and it printed a record of everything I did.

momoese · 10-29-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by momoese

So Richard, even if the robust system works like you say it does, we still have an issue this election. From what I understand the central tabulator "GEMZ" is easily hackable, as are most of the E machines currently in use, therefor the basis of our democracy is in serious danger. We are not all mailing in ballots, and there is not enough of the robust in place to make a difference. If someone wants to manipulate the current system it's doable. So what do we do this election?

Watch starting at 2:45 in. This is basically the same system in place now.

Hmmmm

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