chong

Under the underlined definition for donors from the above quote, according to the same source, Obama accepted $316,000 from the Oil & Gas Industry. And it was Obama who said, "I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore." On top of that, he's accepted over $162,000 from Lobbyists.

momoese

We can disagree on the state of her brain. Normal brain on the left, her brain on the right. The black areas are liquid. Looks pretty darn mushy to me.


ESC is a necessary evil if you will to save the lives of people like Ronald Reagan and Terry. To not fund it and let other countries get the upper hand is backwards thinking.

You can call me anything you like, but the constant distraction from the real issues we face in this country is not what we need. We have much bigger problems to deal with.

So you are happy with the job Bush has done? If so them McSame is your man. You want 4 more years of this?

Yes it is Bushes war, not mine. Many people including the former white house press secretary claim he lied his way into this war. I didn't vote for him either time, and I firmly believe that the election fraud that took place put him in office, not the voters. I do not support this war and never have. I do however support our men and women in the service. Let's not get the two confused like so many war mongers love to do these days.

So you want to play the Hitler card eh? Let's not forget GWB's grandfather Prescott Bush who collaborated with the Nazis.

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harveyc

I used to think that abortions in the cases of rape and incest might be justified, but changed my mind over time because it just didn't make sense. What had the baby done to justify a death sentence?

Here's one woman who almost didn't survive:
Mother's rape prompts author's abortion views - News

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momoese

Chong it's my understanding that those donation numbers are from employees, not the companies themselves. Do you info stating otherwise?

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harveyc

Mitchel, you are the one doing the name calling with your childish use of McSame, etc. I'm not doing any name calling and I've said nothing derogatory towards you.

"Mushy" is not a medical term. People with brains that looked like that have regained consciousness. Are we going to start choosing which people die because of their physical condition. How about people in rest homes that can't take care of themselves? In a civilized society the weak and helpless are usually protected, not killed.

Did you read any of the quotes from Snopes? It's clear it's not just Bush's war, but you're convinced of that and it doesn't appear you really want to consider the facts that others supported it. Do you remember who appointed the CIA Director that provided intelligence on Iraq before we invaded?

Am I completely happy with George W. Bush's presidency? NO! I think he appointed fantastic Supreme Court justices, though. Not some justices that are intent on rewriting laws. I do think he may have got too easily convinced that going to war in Iraq was the right thing to do and was not willing to rethink his decisions, though it's a difficult mess to get out of now. Do I want more of the same? No way, I'd like to get a bunch of those liberal scum bags voted out of congress!!!

What on earth does George W. Bush's grandfather's tie to Nazis have to do with any of this. Do you have evidence that he had any influence on how Bush has ran his presidency? Or are you implying that somehow he has had some influence over McCain. The Hitler connection was brought up because the foundation of Planned Parenthood was largely based eugenics. Today, approximately 2/3 of all black pregnancies in the U.S. end in abortion. I'm sure Margaret Sanger would be happy with her work if she were alive today though she might have a puzzled look on her face trying to figure out if she liked Planned Parenthood contributing to Obama's election.

Here is someone that does a much better job looking out for black (and all) citizens: Alveda King

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harveyc

From FactCheck.org: Obama's Oil Spill, the following excerpt:

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momoese

She was clinically brain dead. Hows that. Mush is mush. How much torture should she have been made to deal with anyway? I'm glad she was able to escape her condition.

No I did not read the Snopes quotes. I love Snopes but this is just not necessary. It's very clear to me that this is his war. Anyone around him that politically opposed it was attempting career suicide.

Calling Mccain McShame, McSame, whatever is just making a point. He will bring more of the same if elected.

On Bush's connection with the Nazis. War profiteering comes to mind.
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

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harveyc

It is not backwards thinking. Killing innocent life is immoral. Would you also like us to start more wars so we can have peace???

There is no evidence that research using embryonic stem cell research will save any lives. There are many promises, but zero successes. On the other hand, many research patients have been the recipients of new tumors thanks to being injected embryonic stem cells. That's forward thinking? And if embryonic stem cells will be of benefit, why not make them from adult stem cells since that has been done successfully? Needless killing of human life is backwards thinking.

Yes, people like Christopher Reeves and Michael J. Fox have been strong supporters of embryonic stem cell research. Wanting to take the human life of others for one's own benefit is evil, plain and simple.

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harveyc

I have disagreed with several decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court, but to call a unanimous 7-0 decision some sort of election fraud is not reasonable, IMO. It was a crazy situation, but the court ruled on the side of law very clearly.

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momoese

See this is where we will always disagree. You see it as "life" I see it as a part of someones body.

I do agree that killing innocent life is wrong, but that's not the case here, IMO.

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harveyc

What part of your body has it's own genetic code? What part of your body has the potential to grow into an independent living organism?

When an expecting couple have a pregnancy test that comes back positive, they know they have a BABY inside the mother. It's form isn't dependent on what you choose to call it. Yes, it is highly dependent on the mother for nourishment, as is any baby after birth for the first year or so.

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Mitchell,
In either case, McCain or Obama, the report from your referenced source, they are from private donations from people associated with the industries, not the companies. In other words, what the report is saying is that neither candidate received funds from the companies directly. After your comment, I was curious as to how the oil companies can directly contribute to any candidate in violation of a 1907 law specifically prohibiting direct contributions to presidential candidates. I remember working for a company that circumvented this by increasing our bonuses by $2000 so that we can contribute it to the candidate of the owner of the company. That owner spent 2 years plus in the "country club" after conviction on elections related charges.

Anyway, as it turns out, the source you quoted explained that the two candidates received their contributions from oil employees, their families and friends, through the Political Action Committees, whose operating costs were borne by the oil companies(as allowed by law).

momoese

I may have been mistaken on where the funds came from, but the fact remains that McCain is still getting way more funding in that area.

Now to get this thread back on track talking about the McCain connection to high oil prices as seen in the video. McCain has Gramm, Berman and Black heading his campaign and writing his economic policy? These same people have actively lobbied against closing the Enron Loophole. Remeber it was the Enron Loophole that totally screwed us in California, and is now a big part of the high oil prices. McCain doesn't even have a position on the Enron Loophole "now".

The term "Flip Flopper" comes to mind.

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harveyc

Okay, fine. Why don't you address the Farm Bill that the news reporter criticizes McCain for voting against and applauds Obama for voting for it. Do you think that was a good bill just because it had a clause in it to end the Enron loophole even though it was wasting tens of billions of dollars? Whoopee!

Obama also hasn't been around as long. If he's taking big oil money now, he'll be sure to take more later on. Why is he taking one dime from oil?

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chong

Just to be "fair and balanced", here is a clip from a fellow Democrat's show and former speech writer to Pres. J. Carter, no less - - - - -

Chris Matthews, an MSNBC Democrat for the record, gets to the central point on BO------(other comments removed)---------------

Subject: Chris Matthews on Obama

Want to see a politician choke on national TV?.....watch this....
Chris was surprised when the Obama campaign's own surrogates are left utterly stumped when asked to list his legislative accomplishments as a Senator. This is such a staggering revelation, but right on point!!!!!
YouTube - Obama campaign rep STUMPED on legislative accomplishments

mskitty38583

....."he inspires"....well now, im inspired to say they are all full of crap!

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momoese

Perhaps he thinks closing the Enron loophole is worth adding the pork. Maybe he wants to be able so say he tried to end it as a part of his campaign?

As for the farm bill, I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it's a good bill or not.

Why he's taking any oil money is anyones guess, but I'd imagine it has something to do with beating McCain.

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