momoese

As consumers we should have every right to know exactly what is in our food. We've been down this road before so you already know how I feel about it.

When laws are written that make it illegal to label a product as "not" containing any gmo you know things are bad.

FDA won’t allow food to be labeled free of genetic modification: report | The Raw Story

harveyc

You already have the right. Grow your own! Otherwise, you really can't be sure anyways.

As the first link points out, regulations for labeling are made to mitigate identified risks.

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momoese

I heard this clown on a radio show not long ago, nothing but a Monsanto tool.

There is no excuse, sorry. If I run a food company like Amy's and I want to inform my potential customers that my product contains no GMO I should have that right. Wtf country is this anyway, oh wait..I almost forgot it's The United States Of Monsanto

harveyc

You know very well that Amy's labels their products as USDA Organic and that a requirement of that certification is that it contains no GMO items.

You think everyone that disagrees with your views on this is a Monsanto tool but that's not the case. There are many people who think as I do and they've got no ties at all with Monsanto. I'd rather see food labels indicate if the company makes an effort to ensure the workers producing the food are earning a decent wage.

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momoese

He's a well known tool, it's no secret.

You are right about organic labeling, lucky for us, but it's semantics, you know what I'm saying.

harveyc

Well known (or identified as such) among the circles you follow. That does not prove he's not objective. Many that insist on labeling are very passionate about it, if not logical. The pro-labeling blogger even indicated she didn't want to bring in the safety of GMO foods. That seems to be more a tool just to scare consumers than provide meaningful information.

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momoese

We have a right to know. What else is there to say?

momoese

He's a self admitted GMO proponent and the co author of a pro GMO book. He's as far away from objective as one could be.

I have no circles as you say. Stop with the belittling.

harveyc

There is nothing that I said that should be construed as belittling. You obviously listen to and read blogs that are anti-GMO, pro-organic, etc. Those are the "circles" I speak of and there is nothing negative about that. That is your own bias.

The fact that someone is pro-GMO does not in any way indicate that they are not objective. If that were the case, an objective person could never reach a conclusion about the subject.

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momoese

I have common sense, and also a caring for the earth and the people who rely on it to exist. I use the Internet to obtain and share, just like you do, but I do not make a point of shoving that in your face every chance I get. I'm sure your reply is: what real world experience do you have.. right? Well let me ask you what real world GMO human safety testing experience do have? None, because there is none and there never will be, well, at least none that you will accept while fighting for your Monsanto. You will always find an excuse.

I understand you make a living growing and selling a product designed and made (with no legitimate safety testing and free reign via Obama and others) by what I consider the most evil corporation on the planet, but that is your choice. I also understand you will fight to the death to protect that corporation. Again your choice. Keep in mind that untested animal feed is feeding a nation (world), and there are studies that say it's poisoning the animals and who knows what to us. I shudder to think what you and others will do when the sh!t hits the fan, although with Monsanto's involvement in the government that might never happen. Lucky for you, or not depending on how you look at it.

I'm just happy I'm not trapped in the Monsanto web of deception and corruption. That's the only silver lining I see.

harveyc

If there is any belittling or shoving in your face going on, it's by you, Mitchel. You post your views about GMO foods or Monsanto and think anything contrary to your views is wrong without considering anything to the contrary. I don't make excuses for Monsanto and it's not "my company". I try to be objective and look at facts. I've grown more conventional crops than GMO crops and see values in both.

Here is an article about a farmer that grows many crops, including both organic cotton and GMO cotton. Cotton paves way for SJV cornucopia | Cotton content from Western Farm Press

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momoese

Harvey what do you get when you cross Monsanto, Windows and Black Water Security?

harveyc

Some nightmare dream of a bunch of liberals?

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momoese

Nice art work, but I was thinking more along the lines of a genetically engineered Robcop.

All kidding aside, Food supply, IT, and the worlds biggest private military. That's a lot of power!

harveyc

Some bloggers have so much hate that they get the facts mixed up or don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Too Much of a Bad Thing: Monsanto Did NOT Buy Blackwater (from an anti-Monsanto source)

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momoese

I read a piece read from an author back in 2010 that they did not buy them (he was commenting on another authors article), then on another website in 2011 he said they did. It happens.

A lot of people said they just hired XE, then later most reports say XE was sold to Monsanto.

harveyc

The article above says one person's comments were misunderstood and then the xe purchase spread like crazy. Can't find any mainline media articles commenting on such a purchase which would likely be the case since it would be quite unusual.

If I was conducting some business in Iraq or Afghanistan I'd probably hire xe also.

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momoese

Me neither. How about you give them a ring and ask.

harveyc

Think I'll pass. If I'm wrong, you might not ever hear from me again!

Another guy I know (who happens to be anti-Monsanto) posted this article on Facebook the other day: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/31/sc...lity.html?_r=1 Have you seen it. Some organic certainly isn't sustainable or good for the environment.

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momoese

No I had not seen it yet. If what they claim is true it's just another reason for people to only eat what's in season from local organic farmers that you trust. Or your own of course.

That may be tough though for those living in cold zones. Green houses, aquaculture etc might be at least part of the answer for those areas.

If I had to choose I'd take the Mexican organic over the China "organic" anyday!