damaclese

But it got you attention didn't it! LOL i quite agree with you on this Richard i my self fall way out side either of thees labels

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damaclese

wile i understand your misgivings its off topic you don't have to post or participate thats up to you we are discussing health care and the resent squabbling in Washington not the prose and cons of whether some one should or should not be participating on topics of a political or sensitive nature. i hope you dont think im getting after you i just wanted to pull the thread back on to topic

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damaclese

now that health care legislation has gone to comity it will be interesting to see how they reconcile the house version with the Senate bill at least in comity theirs less rancor but some times i find it hard to fallow dry dry dry is the description id apply but this is were the real Health care reform of lack there in will occur supposedly we are looking at a march or even June date all i have to say is they better not mess this up in comity its already had the grate disadvantage of turning the population against them and if this bill doesn't do a few miracles then id say that come reelection time theirs going to be another shift to the right i personally am tiered of right left politics what about some center plays for ones the extremes in my mind are runing this thing in to the ground.! it has such potential to reinvigorate a Stael and corrupt industry and we thought the tobacco industry had it all cinched up nothing like the insurance Co. do

and ultimately the real issue is are Americans going to be health and have access to good quality health care insurance is only a fraction of the really problem in this country but thats a topic for some other thread
thanks
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Richard

O.K., thanks for the clarification. From the title of the thread, it seemed a bit more daunting!

"As Americans, we will never give in to fear or division. We will be guided by our hopes, our unity, and our deeply held values." -- President Barack Obama, December 28, 2009. Re: attempted terrorist attack.

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lorax

Yeah, but that's a blatant propaganda statement. One only has to look as far as the Senate or Congress to see fear and division in daily action. Even in the most superficial of glances, the US never looks unified.

Abnshrek

Your right it's not unified unless all the rep's are getting paid :^)

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damaclese

sorry if my title was obtuse i really didn't know what to call it so i just went to the heart of it

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damaclese

i sapose from an out side vew it looks that way but some how we mudle threw mabe not well but we try one of the problims as i see it is that we are to divers a county its hard to bring consences when you have dozens of difrint ethnic groups and doszins of religous ideoligeas cupeled with the 50 difrint regons it seans thers always a bit of a rucous rumbling some were

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Abnshrek

Most people don't understand how much money the govt is spending just in an attempt to keep our economy going. Sooner or later its going to have to be curtailed. It's not like any real jobs are being made here. They are getting shipped out to china or mexico like the Trane (AC /heating ) is doing (Moving to Mexico) to cut costs, get rid of unions, get rid of headaches and make bank.. :^) lol

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Richard

It looks very different in my neighborhood. Up and down the street you'll find people of nearly every culture, every race, and every political view yet we are far from divided. This neighborhood is known for its holiday festivities. By the 2nd week of December nearly every house has gigantic holiday cards (6 foot or more) out front, on the roof, etc. Some are a themed after comics, like Calvin & Hobbes or Ren & Stimpy. Others are from classics like the Nutcracker, and still there are hundreds more from religious scenes to a driveway with an Elf-Yourself poster with a cut-out to put your face in for a picture. We are all immigrants or decended from immigrants and have strong feelings about the privilege it is to live here. We all help each other in these endeavors -- the Hindus with the Catholics, the second-generation Jews across the street with the Sunni Muslims two doors down to my right, the Kwanzaans three doors down with the baptists across the street from them, the Mormons with their Orthodox Hungarian neighbors ... it goes on and on. Many of us have front porch patios and we visit with each other and the 30,000 people who come to see our neighborhood this time of year. Our neighborhood has been visited by TV crews from many states and countries and happily inspired other neighborhoods around the world. This year we had a large group from Lithuania who had seen our festivities recorded by their national TV station a year prior, started their own neighborhood tradition and then flown here to visit ours! And December is not our only time to express our blessings, you will see it various times throughout the year. And you know, there is no requirement to participate: there is only the urge!

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damaclese

so Richard you are saying that you don't think theres any social and or political disparity that has led to a lack of cohesion here in the US?

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lorax

Richard, the people are one thing, and the government is another. And please note that I said superficial - certainly within communities, no matter how diverse, there is bound to be unity. However, communities aren't the ones making decisions for the country (more's the shame) - it's the fractious governing body that's responsable for that one.

Nicolas Naranja

It seems that a certain segment of the US population would prefer to identify with a certain ideology so that they can look to a book and know what to think. Another segment will subscribe to a certain doctrine in order to fit in to their larger social circle. Believe me it is hard to be a Democrat in a Southern Baptist church. My wife and I had to leave because our pastor though Obama was the Antichrist that would bring about Armageddon. GWB on the other hand was sent by god (Despite being involved in two wars and condoning torture, which are traditionally against Christian morals). But, that is what a lot of Americans are dealing with.

On another note, I am quite sick and tired of people not being able to compromise and I see the current health care debate as not being about what is best for the people but about who is stronger. Somehow a minority of politicians is wielding so much power that they prevent the majority from winning, I don't get it. Furthermore, I think the republicans are really worried that Americans will get something that they like, and god forbid we should take care of our own people. Let's face it, if the American people don't like health care, eventually a republican majority will be elected and they will be given a directive to end it. That didn't happen with medicare and medicaid, and it isn't going to happen with this version of health care.

The biggest threat to democracy that I currently see right now is just flat out greed and narcissism. Companies don't care about their employees, people don't seem to care about their fellow man on a genuine level. Companies will give money to charity as a tax write off, but if one of their own employees or an employees family member is sick they will deny them time off and then cite profitability as a reason. A CEO will move a factory to Mexico so that he can make a few million more per year that he really doesn't need anyways and eliminate several high paying jobs at the same time.

When I am at my wife's family's in Alabama, people pull over out of respect for a funeral procession. In South Florida, you would be passed honked at and probably given the finger. To me that's the difference in how things ought to be and how they actually are.

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The business of commercial TV and Radio is to increase the stress level of the audience so that the audience finds relief in advertisements [Chapter 1, Radio & TV Management course 300]. This fact plays very well into the hands of politicians who are more interested in power than governance, and has led directly to the divide-and-conquer campaign strategies of the last 3 decades. We now have 2 generations that thrive on "politics as sports" and arguing as a past-time. If you want to get away from all this, then turn off your TV/Radio news and talk shows and try sources that have little or no vested interest in the politics or the stress level of the news. "The Economist" is one such source.

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Nicolas Naranja

And every time you turn around someone is trying to frighten you to action. If it's not terrorism, it's some dreaded disease or child molester lurking around the corner.

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damaclese

wile i agree with every thing you said pretty much I'm not sure why you chose to use my post as a quote" "

Can you say Fox news o and lest i forget the infamous "Talk Radio" both the worst thing to happen to are country sins the McCarthy hearings on un American activities

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Richard

Because this statement:

is your perception based on input from commercial media. Go without it for a couple of years and you will begin to see things differently. Or in a twist on an old saying: "you'll see the forest and the trees".

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damaclese

i haven't watched a commercial news program on TV in 10 years i do not read the local paper i often go to the net for what news i look for i like that San Jose mercury news i also look at the BBC postings from time to time as well as a few independent news souses here and there

C-span is just a video record of the congress and sent in session there are no opinions expressed other then the people being filmed on the floor no reporters and no arm char quarterbacking its raw footage i think i have a fully formed self determined opinion on whats going on its sickening to me for the most part

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Richard

I think the posturing you see on C-SPAN is a poor metric of social disparity and political empathy here in the U.S.

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Jack Daw

WOOOOOOW. So little internet connection time and you come up with a thread like this. Well, since my time is very limited, I will try to sum my observations into 2 words. Please, don't take it the wrong way:
Roman Empire.

That's an outsider's point of view.

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