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Old 01-04-2010, 11:34 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I think the posturing you see on C-SPAN is a poor metric of social disparity and political empathy here in the U.S.
that would on the surface aper to be so but many of the radical left as well as right watch this programing and are significant influenced by what to you and i is obvious posturing. to them its just proof positive to there extreme points of view.

I think an important factor here is to realize that to some existent theirs a increment of mental illness here probably not measurable but its defiantly there. originating in Congress/Sent and confounded further by radical fundamentalist as well as extreme left Sides.

Which brings up what i think is the bases for most of whats wrong with the US. mental illness is ruining amok here. we have the highest depression rates in the western world as well as a host of other personality disorders. it sad to say but much of whats wrong with the US is based on this.

and if you look at the Romans they has a similar type of acting out and control problems as well as paranoia in the last 200 year of there empire. i know i often come off as a downer but to me it totally clear that the current state of afars has reached a tipping point. I'm not sure what way it will go but as i stated in the beginning of this thread i believe that one side or the other will assert its self threw a violent act that will be the catalyst for a civil war. the social stresses puling at are society culminating in a hyper political environment has the potential for highly volatile behaver.
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Old 01-04-2010, 12:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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that would on the surface aper to be so but many of the radical left as well as right watch this programing and are significant influenced by what to you and i is obvious posturing. to them its just proof positive to there extreme points of view.

I think an important factor here is to realize that to some existent theirs a increment of mental illness here probably not measurable but its defiantly there. originating in Congress/Sent and confounded further by radical fundamentalist as well as extreme left Sides.
Definitely. C-SPAN has become "free studio time" for many members of Congress. Their staff then selects video clips and sound bites which become part of their "divide and conquer" ad campaign.
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... which is exactly why I get my news from Al-Jazeera, the BBC, UPI, John Stewart, and Stephen Colbert.

I'm going to have to agree with Jack, it's looking rather "Fall of the Roman Empire" to me as well. The US does extremely well providing circuses for its people, but it appears to be falling down on the "bread" part. Until the recent economic collapse, the US was one of the most decadent societies out there, and to a certain extent it still is.

(For those of you who don't quite follow me, I'm quoting the Roman satirist Juvenal:

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… iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, panem et circenses.

Roughly translated, this is:
… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.
I rather think he hit the nail exactly on the head for both his Empire, and the current one.
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this is food for thought! i hold out that cooler heads will preval in the end no mater what i am not voting for any of the incombents in my state with the exseption of Shelly Burkly as i find her way cool and totaly in tuch with what most of us in NV want for are state she is in her frist year in congress and i just love her i have her on my face book page
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