The consumer always pays. And we will no matter which path we take--the only difference is when and how. You may not have noticed, but oil prices are going up--they will continue to go up and if there are no alternatives when supply gets too low, they will go up dramatically--as they did in the mid 70s and after the hurricanes hit the Gulf.

If we wait until alternatives are cheaper than oil, it will be too late--we will pay for it while alternatives are developed and we won't have time to make a lot of choices.

If we do it now, we won't be held hostage and we will have more time to make choices.

No, I am a marine scientist.

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I am not saying I am pro oil, in fact my vehicle burns ethanol I am just against meaningless new taxes. Feeling less guilty is great. For you. If you have to buy that feeling, so be it. But that purchase does nothing for people breathing auto fumes; it does nothing for people developing asthma by ports and airports; it does nothing to reshape a culture built on building waste; it does nothing to alleviate contaminated water sources -- for those who cannot afford to buy bottled water. Buying indulgences is just that: an indulgence. Fixing a carbon-contaminated environment is something different. Great to start somewhere, but the follow-up is what really matters. And danger of indulgences is that the buyer is relieved of following up. There is also the risk manufacturing will move to the 3rd world where there are no environmental constraints. The west will be cleaner but, will subject the third world to more misery and death. In the final analysis the carbon credit scam will do nothing to reduce carbon emissions and will create new layers of unnecessary functionaries and new rounds of financial chicanery.Voluntary carbon offsets typically sell for as little as $5. Each offset represents one ton of carbon dioxide said to be kept out of the atmosphere. The businesses are betting that the relatively cheap voluntary offsets they buy up now will count toward their cleanup obligation under any eventual rule. That is far cheaper for most companies than retooling their operations to curb their own emissions.

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I wish I could find ethanol here. I checked all the places I found on the internet--including the one over in Fairhope when I was there, but none of them have it or the addresses are wrong--one address was an office building. I would definitely use it. I have been thinking about natural gas kits and using a low pressure home fill station since that is not widly available either.

As for air and water pollution, Pensacola water supply was at the top of the list of the worst cities for drinking water in the US. We also exceed atmospheric ozone limits pretty often during the summer--it certainly doesn't help my wife's allergies and asthma. I am all for a better environment--it pays for itself in the long run--especially if you consider the health consequences.

Why would taxes be bad? THey will feed your governors, senators and other important people who contribute to evolution of mankind. ;) :ha:

There are alternatives, but are being artificially delayed. And this is my field of interest and studying, we got to technologies invented and already working since 1956. But why would someone give it for free, when he can earn from old resources?


Agreed! There's nothing more beautiful than small children playing in the green forest in the middle of the city... Just like the one we have here, but it's getting smaller and smaller each year.

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I am never surprised by the legnths that big industries will go to to push their products. The US had great trolly systems in many cities in the early 1900s--what happened to them? They were bought and scrapped by Ford and Firestone to force people to buy cars and use tires.

I know there are some that truly just don't believe global climate change is real, but I would not be surprised to find that big oil is behind much of the anti-climate change chatter.

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The Pope has spoken:

Gore Attaches Global Warming as Cause to Last Weekend's Storm in Northeast

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I wouldn't be surprised if Big Oil is the reason why the fuel efficiency (gasoline engines) for cars has gone down in the last 20 years (transmissions have more gears now days).... Influence.. Of course everyone drives 55 to get your optimum fuel milage (even on the interstate (70 mph) or toll road (75mph or higher in some states) ). There is no MPG's window sticker for those travel speeds. Yet millions of cars and trucks travel them everyday.

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I recently watched a special on the science channel that showed some pretty dramatic effects that are already happening.

They showed a drought in the Amazon basin in 2005 that caused the headwaters of the Amazon to drop 35-40 ft. The cause was warmer water offshore that caused air to rise over the ocean and rain there instead of rising over land and raining in the Amazon basin. This could be part of the problem that Lorax is facing in Venezuela.

They showed an island in Alaska that has lost over 200 ft of shoreline since 2000--so much of the town has fallen into the ocean that the residents are having to evacuate the island. The October freeze line in the Arctic Ocean has retreated over 200 miles since 1975.

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Destroying the land certainly has an effect of weather and such things as
Clearing for cattle pasture, Colonization and subsequent subsistence, agriculture,Infrastructure improvements, Commercial agriculture, Logging could be major contributing factors. I remember watching a video where banana plants were planted in clear cut areas in a restoration project. They were planted to give small rainforest seedlings enough shade to grow and establish themselves and it worked! So another great use of banana plants!

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Absolutely, burning of fossil fuel is just part the cause of the greenhouse effect. Conversion of tropical rainforest to pasture has a double or triple whammy-- added CO2 from burning the trees, reduced CO2 uptake, and the addition of cows increases methane production that is 20 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas.

As for bananas, I also heard on the radio that bananas make a compound that is more effective at fighting AIDS than any of the current medications. Go Bananas!

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That's news to me, but did you know we share 1/2 our dna with bananas?

I've been watching closely the work done by Dr. Harold on hiv/aids in connection with soil selenium. Read more here:

http://www.orthomolecular.org/librar...21n04-p193.pdf

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Here is a link to an article about the compound BanLec:

Study: Banana extract prevents HIV infection, spread of AIDS

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ya ya I know big segue from the climate topic...but the article is definitely an interesting article, but the product is just a microbicide. On the other hand, Dr. Foster's work is on stopping the infection from progressing to aids. There is some scientific chatter that high cellular glutathione peroxidase levels may prevent hiv infection to begin with. Glutathione (Gpx) is a protein based on a few amino acids and selenium. Areas in the world that have high soil selenium levels have extremely low hiv infection rates. Selenium has alot of functions in mammals and when cellular levels of gpx drop white blood cell production drops, hiv is parasitic of selenium. How does this relate to plants? There are some implications for arresting or slowing plant viruses by planting trees in selenium rich soil as well as improving the immune function of those eating the fruit or leaves of trees grown in selenium rich soil. The best plant source of selenium are brazil nuts btw...

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I don't disagree. I know selenium is important in the diet. It is supposedly one of the factors that helps prevent prostate cancer, and is important in the immune system in general. I know brazil nuts are high in selenium, I think onions are also a source, but that may depend on where they are grown.

I was just posting the link after I mentioned hearing about it on the radio.

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Interesting. I have also read that we now know of several cancers that are caused by viruses--some researchers think we may find many more involved.

here is a link to sources of selenium.
Selenium

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It's very true a little goes a long way as the upper limit is about 400 mcg per day. It's been proven that hiv, ebola, and coxsackie viruses encode for selenium so they deplete the host of selenium. According to foster's theory glutathione peroxidase is antagonistic to those viruses so supplementing with selenium, tryptophan, cysteine, and glutamine (the building blocks of the seleno-protein glutathione) reverses the symptoms. Selenium reverses problems caused by the coxsackie virus as well. It's obviously too dangerous to do a trial with ebola but theoretically it should keep the virus at bay. Interestingly the aids trials Foster has done in Africa has had incredible results. As someone who likes learning about natural cures and remedies it's fascinating stuff.

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Let's bring this old thread back to life. Today there is a report with dire predictions for global temperatures by the year 3000!

It makes me wonder how many weather monitoring stations they'll be down to by then. If you'd like to read a report on how data is being manipulated, check out http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...rface_temp.pdf (12mb file) and look at page 11 and following to see how most weather stations in areas that had been cooling have disappeared.

BTW, every state in the U.S. except Florida presently now has snow cover. Pretty cool! :P

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Did you see how the weather channel had a report on how "climate change" can cause colder temperatures. Every time there is a cold spell they feel the need to bring out their propaganda. I like how when "global warming" didn't pan out as several conferences were canceled by snow or some such cold weather all of a sudden they try to avoid "global warming" and use "climate change" instead.

I used to think hey, not a big deal better to be safe than sorry. So I was kind of okay with them putting money into funding research and such. But the more I hear, the more I see it as a scam. It is just putting money in peoples pocket and not doing much of anything else. I really pity those that believe in this hoax. They must lead very sad and depressing lives as tools of those propagating the hoax.

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So anyone who doesn't believe what "you" believe, even though you have no proof of anything, are "sad and depressed tools"?

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