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Old 10-26-2014, 03:28 AM   #2261 (permalink)
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Rollinia is a generic name that refers to approximately 65 different species of fruit, some of which are Annona and others are not.

Further, Rollinia is also a genus of plants in the Annona family (Annonaceae).

Rob, I know you are a careful person so you understand my reluctance here.

If we could narrow your plant down to a cultivar of a species or hybrid of a genus then I might be able to help.
I didn't realize that and I really don't know, honestly, what the species is I have. This seems like what the rollinia here is, if that's any help at all: Biriba
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I didn't realize that and I really don't know, honestly, what the species is I have. ...
I think you are referring to this plant?
http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/F_N-21.pdf
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Reading a bit further, I found that about 10 years ago Rollinias were reclassified as Annona. So the plant in question is listed here along with its synonyms: Annona mucosa information from NPGS/GRIN

I don't have information on Annonacin levels in the fruit. But I did find this interesting article on a simplified method for checking directly from fruit pulp:
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/14/12/5235/pdf
The Ag lab at the HILO GRIN repository would probably do this for the usual fee, or perhaps you have access to other resources.
Once the concentration is known, it can be compared to the published conc. of soursop.
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A past neighbor of mine is an asst. director of research at the LA Jolla Neurological institute. In the Annona family, we figured that it was safe to eat 7 sugar apples per year, OR 5 cherimoyas per year, OR 2 soursops per year. Beyond that is a gamble. At 4 times those dosages for 3 or more years it is fairly certain you will have detectable symptoms - at least in a thorough physical.

But the Annonas paw-paw and atemoya do not carry these risks. The drug concentrate in the flesh of these fruits is 2% to 5% of cherimoya. You could eat around 200 a year and still be below most risk factors.
how did you arrive at those numbers? i've read that a fruit a day over the course of a year is enough to produce effects, but then there are so many other factors that need to be taken into account (cultivar, environment, etc.). i am sure a guanabana grown in the tropics could equal the effects of 10 grown in the subtropics. i am just curious, because 2 /year probably isn't going to cut it for me.

i personally don't think i could cut it out of my diet. my family grew up on soursop in the islands, so the reward of a good soursop every once in a while exceeds the perceivable risk to me.
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how did you we arrive at those numbers?
Analysis of peer-reviewed published papers and knowledge of neurotoxicity.

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i am sure a guanabana grown in the tropics could equal the effects of 10 grown in the subtropics.
Personally I don't believe that. In one paper, the tested conc. of annonacin in cherimoyas grown in Costa Rica and southern California were statistically identical.

But Merce, I'm not trying to convince you one way or another. Instead I'd like other readers to have a balanced presentation.
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Personally I don't believe that. In one paper, the tested conc. of annonacin in cherimoyas grown in Costa Rica and southern California were statistically identical.

But Merce, I'm not trying to convince you one way or another. Instead I'd like other readers to have a balanced presentation.
i meant you as in you guys or you two...

i am just trying to weigh the risk, but it's hard to get a balance of info without knowing which articles you are referencing. i appreciate your knowledge, but i think the risk is over-exaggerated. the articles that i have read (published and peer-reviewed) associate larger amounts with side effects and 2 soursop versus 365 a year is a huge difference, so i am trying to bump that number up to say ~300 /year?

at least cherimoyas don't grow here because of the environmental differences, so i guess i don't have to worry about those. then again the dream atemoya that i have growing closely resembles cherimoya, so i'm not so sure...
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First bloom ever on any of my Vanda orchids.


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2 year old Persian Lime finally woke up





She's giving me no more then 10 fruit in the last 2 years


Today she has over 70+ flowers in bloom ready to set.

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Ponderosa lemon and limequat. Both were purchased in December as was the Sunrise blueberry; all have fruit on them! I love this instant gratification FL gardening.
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Pretty much everything!
We had a very mild winter and are about 3 weeks ahead of where we should be. The crocuses are long finished but tulips and daffodils are everywhere. My arctic kiwis are developing blossoms and both the peach and pear trees are already blossoming. Even my dragon's claw arum is about 6" above ground (on it way to an eventual height of well over 4ft)
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My Grimal jaboticaba was blooming over the last few days. Didn't manage to get a photo of it in bloom, but here's one from a day or two before the flower buds opened.


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Looking good!
What is the origin of your Grimal jaboticaba?
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