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Old 04-23-2015, 12:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default shade fruits in zone 9 ?

I am in New Orleans area - zone 9b
i am looking for fruit trees i can grow,
most of my yard is either in shade, or, the available spots in sun
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looking for a fruit tree - sub-tropical preferably
or, even other food producing bush/shrub etc...
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I am in New Orleans area - zone 9b
i am looking for fruit trees i can grow,
most of my yard is either in shade, or, the available spots in sun
are already taken.

looking for a fruit tree - sub-tropical preferably
or, even other food producing bush/shrub etc...
garcinias do well in the shade...
Garcinia humilis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Garcinia madruno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Garcinia intermedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i have lemon drop, mexican and bolivian mangosteen growing currently, but they are slow growers and mine are still pretty small, so i am still a ways out before getting fruit.
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Default Re: shade fruits in zone 9 ?

So far as shade tolerant fruiting plants go, maybe a "blackberry jam" bush or two might work. They are said to do well in dappled light.

However, not to get too far off topic, I am curious how mangosteen grow in New Port Richey (zone 9b) when I understand they are cold sensitive ultra-tropicals. I would like to give mangosteens a try, but I already have some high-maintenance plants that require much cold protection. Kind of don't have energy now to take on one more. How do you protect them or do you not have to protect them?

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So far as shade tolerant fruiting plants go, maybe a "blackberry jam" bush or two might work. They are said to do well in dappled light.

However, not to get too far off topic, I am curious how mangosteen grow in New Port Richey (zone 9b) when I understand they are cold sensitive ultra-tropicals. I would like to give mangosteens a try, but I already have some high-maintenance plants that require much cold protection. Kind of don't have energy now to take on one more. How do you protect them or do you not have to protect them?

Thanks, Dekkard Z10a
You are thinking of true mangosteen (garcinia mangostana) which is ultra tropical. The ones I have listed will grow in the subtropics and take some freezing temps. I think the lemon drop mangosteen may be more cold sensitive, but I picked it up for $5 so I'm willing to give it a shot; even if I have to protect it.
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Okay, I do remember these fruits from when I did research a few years ago, however, I did not realize it until I saw the name "achacha". This fruit might be an option for us as we continue to plan our garden. Do you have to take any special precautions with them in winter?

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From what I've read they can take up to the mid 20s with little to no damage, so you should be able to get my with minimal protection
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Okay, okay, the talk of Garcinias has made me dip back into my notes from when I was first researching the potential layout of our new garden years ago. Below is a bit I compounded from a few different sources about Bacupari that may be useful for the shade tolerant fruit tree query. I am getting excited about opening the door to the idea of planting a mangosteen cousin I had previously excluded for various reasons. The info is as follows:

Bacupari #2739 (Garcinia macrophylla): Z10a. Damage temp 27F. Sweet fruit like tangy custard, children love it, leaves are anti-inflammatory. Is it the Rheedia or Platonia variety? The BacuriparÝ is native to the Amazonian lowlands, where it grows as an understory tree. The tree can grow to 30', forming an attractive, pyramidal canopy (Campbell 1983). Trees are propagated by seed and may require 7 to 10 years to come into production. Fruit are variable in shape, averaging 1 1/2" to 2" in diameter and 2" to 2 1/2" in length. The fruit have a thick, hard outer wall containing a bitter latex, as in bacurÝ. Inside the hard shell is a white, creamy flesh surrounding 3 to 4 large seeds. The flesh is scanty in comparison to Mangosteen or BacurÝ. The BacuriparÝ is outstanding because it grows and produces a significant crop in shaded conditions (Campbell 1983). The trees are also tolerant of full sun and wind exposure, making them more adaptable to varied climates than the Mangosteen. There is considerable variation in fruit quality among BacuriparÝ from different regions of South America, and there may be different species involved. The fruit is not much esteemed but widely eaten and sold in native markets. The bacuripari was introduced into Florida in 1962 and planted at the Agricultural Research and Education Center in Homestead, at Fairchild Tropical Garden and in several private gardens. One tree fruited in 1970, another in 1972, and the latter has continued to bear. Young specimens have been killed by drops in temperature to 29║ to 30║ F. Older trees have been little harmed by 27║ to 28║ F. The tree is accustomed to light-to moderate-shade. Seeds have remained viable for 2 to 3 weeks but require several weeks to germinate. In Brazil, the tree blooms from August to November and the fruits mature from December to May. In Florida, flowers appear in April and May and a second time in August and September, and the fruits are in season from May to August and again in October and November. Some 15-to 20-year-old trees have produced 100 to 200 fruits when there have been no adverse weather conditions. Bacuripar├* - Garcinia macrophylla
http://www.onlyfoods.net/bacupari.html; Rheedia brasiliensis, Rheedia laterifolia, Garcinia laterifolia, Bakupari, Camboriu - TopTropicals.com
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Okay, okay, the talk of Garcinias has made me dip back into my notes from when I was first researching the potential layout of our new garden years ago. Below is a bit I compounded from a few different sources about Bacupari that may be useful for the shade tolerant fruit tree query. I am getting excited about opening the door to the idea of planting a mangosteen cousin I had previously excluded for various reasons. The info is as follows:

Bacupari #2739 (Garcinia macrophylla): Z10a. Damage temp 27F. Sweet fruit like tangy custard, children love it, leaves are anti-inflammatory. Is it the Rheedia or Platonia variety? The BacuriparÝ is native to the Amazonian lowlands, where it grows as an understory tree. The tree can grow to 30', forming an attractive, pyramidal canopy (Campbell 1983). Trees are propagated by seed and may require 7 to 10 years to come into production. Fruit are variable in shape, averaging 1 1/2" to 2" in diameter and 2" to 2 1/2" in length. The fruit have a thick, hard outer wall containing a bitter latex, as in bacurÝ. Inside the hard shell is a white, creamy flesh surrounding 3 to 4 large seeds. The flesh is scanty in comparison to Mangosteen or BacurÝ. The BacuriparÝ is outstanding because it grows and produces a significant crop in shaded conditions (Campbell 1983). The trees are also tolerant of full sun and wind exposure, making them more adaptable to varied climates than the Mangosteen. There is considerable variation in fruit quality among BacuriparÝ from different regions of South America, and there may be different species involved. The fruit is not much esteemed but widely eaten and sold in native markets. The bacuripari was introduced into Florida in 1962 and planted at the Agricultural Research and Education Center in Homestead, at Fairchild Tropical Garden and in several private gardens. One tree fruited in 1970, another in 1972, and the latter has continued to bear. Young specimens have been killed by drops in temperature to 29║ to 30║ F. Older trees have been little harmed by 27║ to 28║ F. The tree is accustomed to light-to moderate-shade. Seeds have remained viable for 2 to 3 weeks but require several weeks to germinate. In Brazil, the tree blooms from August to November and the fruits mature from December to May. In Florida, flowers appear in April and May and a second time in August and September, and the fruits are in season from May to August and again in October and November. Some 15-to 20-year-old trees have produced 100 to 200 fruits when there have been no adverse weather conditions. Bacuripar├* - Garcinia macrophylla
http://www.onlyfoods.net/bacupari.html; Rheedia brasiliensis, Rheedia laterifolia, Garcinia laterifolia, Bakupari, Camboriu - TopTropicals.com
thanks! that one escaped my radar.
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Regarding shade loving edible plants, have you thought about plants with edible roots that do well in shade? I have recently been looking at "luneria" aka "money plant". You might want to research recipes to help guide your decision. Good luck.
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Hey merce3, could I PM you sometime regarding info on your garcinias in Z9?
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sure. i am still a rookie, but willing to help in anyway i can.
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