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12-07-2009, 07:06 PM | #61 (permalink) |
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Re: Palms for zone 6
He is the first one I've ever seen to describe it and test the cold hardiness of the "Frost Shift Heave" or "FSH" trait (or was it FHS?) Anyway, it does seem to have a correlation. He's also done testing that involves measuring the carbohydrate to water ratio of palms. There apparently is also a correlation there as well. The argument being that the higher the concentration of sugar the less likely the plant's tissues are to get freeze damage. When the liquid in plant tissues freezes, the expansion causes the cell walls to break. When the plant warms, the liquid melts out of these cracks and makes the damage evident. That is part of why palms do better in the winter on the dry side (more sugar, less water). Also with Musa that is why they seem to "melt" after cold damage.
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Re: Palms for zone 6
Thanks for the information, Rob. I still do have my doubts about the FSH/FHS. As you know I have several Trachys around the yard at different stages of growth. I have one with a very pronounced FSH that has been planted in the ground for 3 years now from a 5 gallon container. It is the first Trachy in my yard that shows damage and has had spear pull every winter so far. It does regrow almost all of its fronds, but still shows damage before any of my others. Is interesting info nonetheless!!!
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Re: Palms for zone 6
My 'Taylor form' has the greatest SFH trait and had MASSIVE spear pull last spring (spear and 5 fronds)! Still, it has re-grown and looks awesome right now. I've heard that they get spear pull easy but grow it out fast. Meanwhile, my 'Bulgaria' rarely get spear pull, but grow so slow that they have difficulty recovering if they do get spear pull. I've lost a few of those. I haven't noticed the SFH trait on any of them.
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SFH Factor in Trachycarpus pictures from flowers photos on webshots When you add carbohydrates to water, it lowers the freezing point of the water. The higher the concentration, the lower the freezing point becomes. There are also many other advantages to having a higher amount of carbohydrates since they serve as a reserve of energy for the palm during stressful conditions. Quote:
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Re: Palms for zone 6
Well I'm going to test hardiness of Sabal Minor 'Cape Hatteras' thanks to Randy in passing some seeds out to friends here on the org! Hopefully get several to sprout, will grow them in pots to get some size before planting in the ground.
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