ron_mcb

probably just some weird occurence, yeah u probably lucky....im sure everything is fine.

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ArchAngeL01

im moving on wednesday!!! i can't wait to get those naners and palms in the ground, i saw three BIGG icecreams in a neighbors yard yesterday im so excited !! the hoa says i can plant anything i want ,there not that strict THANK GOD ,im stupmd on which palm to plant on each side of the garage driveway , id like washingtonias but im afraid they will get too big and dump on the house during a hurricane or whatever ,i know palms are great in storms but should i risk it? thanx mcb how are you by the way?

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austinl01

I just planted four waggies (T. wagnerianus) today that I grew from seed in 2004. They were nice 2 gallon plants. I just love the look of waggies. Here's my palm collection in my small yard:

8 T. wagnerianus (2 ft)
3 T. fortunei (7 ft)
3 S. repens (3 gallon plants)
1 W. robusta (9 ft)
1 B. capitata (6 ft)
Numerous S. louisianas (flowering)
S. minor 'McCurtain'
Numerous Sagos

You can see my palms at: Pictures by austinl01 - Photobucket
Just click the links on the left

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ron_mcb

welcomes count the number of times you welcome new guests..dont be offended
its not a good idea to have any tree with a shallow root system. a tree with nuts,or big fruit on it near your house during huricane season.. my aunt has a coconut tree and she has them removed before a hurricane but the tree has never been uprooted. it would look coool but its a gamble

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ArchAngeL01

Good to know i was wandering about that coz everyone is so nice in this site ................................................................ ..............................................

giant dioon is giant now YAY!

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Tog Tan

Ok, I am back! I was tracking in some of my old haunts lately and I was pretty shocked that one of them have been pretty looted for the timber there. I normally make periodic visits to some of the more interesting sites to record the growth of certain species in the wild. This particular one has a musa species of which I have been monitoring and I wanted some pix for the Bananas Quarterly#2.

When I got to the higher spot which was about 300ft up, quite a number of the big trees were gone and those people even had the guts to slide the trunks down the slope to be collected on the road at the bottom. This caused much of the vegetation there to be totally destroyed. I can't say I wasn't pissed. I collected a couple of plants which were in harm's way. I just have to be very selective as I can't care so so many of them.

This place is one of the few sites of a relatively rare palm, the Pinanga glaucascens. This is a solitary growing species with bigger leaves and a variety which has the spotted markings. It, is a medium sized slow growing palm. If it germinates with the spotted markings, it will retain it throughout it's life. It is one of the most desirable palms from here.

I found this Pinanga glaucascens in the middle of a wet understorey area.


A closer look at the rare spotted form of this already rare palm. It is a medium sized solitary growing palm species which is hardly known in cultivation.


Palm heaven!
Wouldn't you like to hang out here? Just palms and more palms everywhere! This place has a great diversity of palm species but due to illegal logging activities, it may be gone in no time...

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Bob

Welcome back old man! Pinanga glaucascens looks to be a beauty. The one in the picture looks to be a young plant so I am wondering if the leaves separate and become more pinnate as it matures.
personal note: Ive become a big fan of the Upmanns although I'm off them for a while till it gets cooler here.

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Tog Tan

Important thing first; The next you should try is the Cuban version of the Uphmann's. They are the most refreshing med cgr I had. To me, its better than the much talked about Havana Cohiba!

The pix of the Pinanga glaucascens is considered a medium sized plant. They start the leaves bifid and then it goes pinnate later. There's a matured plant next to it but didn't get into the pix. Now I have 5 of them from this area.

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Bob

Wish I could get the Cubans! I tried the "Bankers series" although they did say bank of Havana on them. I doubt they were the real thing.
If you haven't tried "Stradivarius" you must do so. Take my word for it.

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lorax

You are both insane, you realize. Habana Cohiba are such stinky stogies. If you ever come down, I'll introduce you to Chamicos, which are much better.

Tog, how pinnate does the Pinanga go (par/impar, how many frondlets on avg?) I have something remarkably similar in my jungles, that never develops past about 5' of height.

Tog Tan

Again important thing first; I am not a big fan of Habana Cohiba but it's so hyped up cos of the price. A Siglo V cost like $50 a pc at duty free. At retail another 4 times more. Anyway, as far as cgrs are concerned, as long as they are very strong and not smaller than a Toro, I am on it. That's why I am a big fan of Nicaraguan stuff. Absolute gangsters!

As far as the frond go, they get to about 6ft in length. I didn't bother to count the the frondlets on them though. What's similar to it in Ec? I have no idea? Name, pix, pls?

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lorax

I'm no fan of the Cohiba either (famous for being famous, and highly overrated) - but then again you know my preference in cigars is for the slimmer, stronger ones.

I'm back in the forests on Tuesday, so I'll get you photos of that one then. I tend to ignore them because they're such common understory plants. I suspect that they're Pinanga as well, just by habit and growth patterns, but I'll have an in-depth boo at my Useful Plants index and find out for sure. They're used here to make a coarse fibre for fishnets.

In other news, here's a pair of beauties.

Oenocarpus bataua (Hungurahua palm) is a tall-grower with a smooth trunk, spine-free walking roots, and pinnate foliage. When they fruit, they produce an oily little berry with a flavour similar to chocolate, and here the tree is also tapped to make palm wine (hence the scientific name). Hungurahua are important bush-tucker plants, and they're one of the few homes of the tiny green perikeets in the lower transitional forests. Since the trees are relative fast-growers, the wood is often used in construction.


Geonoma spp, another important timber palm. This one's just a wee baby - the mature trees are about 40' tall, and drop hard nuts on the heads of passersby (or perhaps that's the monkeys doing that.) The leaves are a reasonable source of thatching, and the nuts are used in the same way as Tagua.

Tog Tan

Hey Beth, have to correct you on the Caryota mitis; the palm looks like some Geonoma to me. Btw, the Caryota's are only from this part of the world.

I like Geonoma's a lot and have quite a few species in my collection. I am still hoping to get sds from the one from Costa Rica, Geonoma epetiolata which is a dwarf with nice spotted leaves. I am sure Ec have quite a few undescribed species of the genus Geonoma and they should grow like weeds there.

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lorax

Thanks, Tog. Will fix that. I'll also keep an eye out for other dwf Geonoma while I'm out. Some parts of the forest are really palm rich, and in others I could walk for kliks without seeing a single one.

STERLING

When we traveled to Bonaire i saw this awesome palm tree outside of our hotel room that was silver/white..The fronds were HUGE ...When we got home I did a little research and found out it was the infamous bismark palm....seems like there are a few of us that love this one!!!!! Here is that palm I fell in love with ...Gosh i miss that place

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just j

perfect looking bismarckia i want to move that would be the only trees i plant in my yard

bepah

Beth,

I m interested in getting some seeds or seedlings of the Oenocarpus bataua. Do you have sources?

Thanks,

John

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Tog Tan

John, in case Beth can't send any out due to Ec's restrictions, rarepalmseed.com have it every now and then.

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lorax

John, my source would be to find one in fruit and munch out on it, then save the seeds. However, I can't currently export anything over 20g, and that's less than the weight of one fresh seed. I'll keep you posted, though, if I can get my export licence. The Ministry of the Environment is such a gigantic beauracracy, though, that I'm doubtful of it happening any time soon.... Fingers crossed!

Tog Tan

Bismarkia nobilis var Silver Germination

Since there's so much talk about this palm, here's a pix for thought...
I picked up a couple of the sds from the ground near a matured plant. Removed the pulp and soaked it for 5 days. Dumped them into a shallow pot with some left over recycled soil and voila! They germinated in slightly over a month. I left them like this for 2wks before bagging them.
Lookit them wormy tap roots!

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