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Old 12-06-2007, 01:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I have a pretty nice 4' Palm Majesty that, I'm somewhat ashamed to say, I bought at Kroger for about $12.

What I'm NOT ashamed of, though, is the fact that it's done well and actually GROWN some inside our house in the year and a half since I bought it.

(And I was a little bit leery buying it... because palms were the [b]one /B] thing I'd been having trouble growing... I had killed one BIG one before this one.)

This plant again is 4', and is on a 1' metal pedistal (to keep the ferrets from climbing in it and un-earthing it).
It sits in a decent eastern exposure behind vertical blinds that are open all day.
The house is around 70 F, and I water the plant well only after I know it's had a decent 'dry down' period.
I 'mist ' it regularly with distilled water, as I do with the ferns and the naners.


What's happening lately is that is appears that the plant is going in 'two directions'.
Up until when we closed up the house when the weather got cooler, it had been a stable, green, palm plant.

Suddenly, the thing has started to throw fronds out like crazy, and the top looks great! But at the same time, the older fronds at the bottom and middle have developed brown tips at the ends of the leaflets, and in many cases the leaflets have browned completely.
Thus... my "two directions"

I still have the tag that came with it.
It says it's a zone 10-11 plant.
Interesting grey swollen trunk (yes)
Not drought tolerant.
medium to high light
Dark green leaves (I think leaves could be darker on mine!)
Plant in rich, humusy soil on the acidic side ( I did, using sulfur and cottonseed meal)
Fertilize with a balanced fertilizer ( I've been using 8-7-6 w/ micros)


Sorry, I've got no pics right now...
Maybe soon.

Anyone got any ideas what could be causing the browning and dying?
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Old 12-06-2007, 03:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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are you feeding it?i feed my majestic with miricle-gro, once twice a month. and dont be ashamed, i got mine at walmart and paid 6.97 for it.it is about 4 1/2 ft tall.
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Marco it seems it likes cooler temps and less water. probabaly less spraying too
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are you feeding it?i feed my majestic with miricle-gro, once twice a month. and dont be ashamed, i got mine at walmart and paid 6.97 for it.it is about 4 1/2 ft tall.
Yeah.
Like I said on the intro I've been using a 8-7-6 analysis liquid fertilizer in minute amounts with each watering.
I was kind of disgusted with the lack of color with the plant back in the spring of this year, so I took some ground up 'ironite' and let it filter down through the top of the soil... it did help a little, but I think it could be greener...
And I'd say about twice a month waterings is about right here too.

(A little off topic, but...)
Do you keep a watering 'calendar' for your plants?
Or do you just go by the old tried-and-true 'cool finger' test?
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Marco it seems it likes cooler temps and less water. probabaly less spraying too
Well, I don't know...

On the tag it also says that "Majesty Palms thrive in average temperatures of 60 to 70 degrees F".
That falls right in line with what we live with here, as we turn down the temps to 67 F at night.

I could put down the mister bottle a little...

I just wonder if it's just a wierd 'reaction' to the change of local 'climate'.
It's been about 2 months since the windows have been closed pretty consistently, and the house's interior humidity level has dropped as a result.

When I potted it I put it in a really nice fiber hemp pot, probably 7-8 gallons.
I wonder if I didn't do enough for this plant's low pH (acid) needs when I blended the peat /soil with the sulfur and cottonseed meal?
What do put together for this type of soil prep for a palm?
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i use the tried and true method with all my potted plants. even in the summer when some of them are outside. it could be that its not getting enough natural sunlite. i have a pic of mine in my gallery. its a bit blurry but you can tell what kind of plant it is. so do you still feel ashamed about paying 12.00 for yours? heck i dont feel ashamed for paying 6.97 for mine. i was happy as a clam! for most of my nanas and for george(my palm) i have them in the pots that are called self watering. they have the opening in the bottom side where you can water. i dont use that for my nanas, i just make sure theres no standing water in it.(their really great for that reason, the pot actually sits 2 in above the water in the pot tray.) i do use the side spout for my palm.i would try moving it where it could get a little more light and see how that does.( not full blast sun,but just a little more)
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it could be that its not getting enough natural sunlite.

I would buy this if it hadn't looked so good in the same spot for 15 months prior

so do you still feel ashamed about paying 12.00 for yours? heck i dont feel ashamed for paying 6.97 for mine.

[b]Well, I didn't know this would be a 'my plant is nicer than yours' thread, but after seeing yours, the COLOR of yours does seem nicer.
But although your plant may be taller, I think I got just as much plant for my $$ because I've got four fat grey trunks, making it WIDER than yours...

(I cut one fat trunk out of the 'middle' of the others when I bought it too, to help the middle get more light then)
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i DIDNT say my plants nicer then yours, i just have mine in a little more sun then the tag required. this is actually my first palm tree. thank you very much. .you said you felt ashamed and i said you should not feel that way! thank you very much!. and im glad that your palm has 4 fat trunks on it, it just means your has one more branch to it. and that its more sutrdy then mine. thank you very much!. soooooo thank you very much!
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Today I talked to a woman who's a neighbor of ours about this problem with my palm.

She's definately an interior plant goddess!
( This past fall I gave her a grown up naner pup and a sprayer full of my 'banana oil' & its instuctions, to add to her 'indoor jungle')

She looked at it and she thinks maybe it could be looking poorly at the bottom partially because that the lower fronds that I pruned off some time ago had been pruned with a steel and unsterilized pruners.
She is of the belief that anthracnose and other problems can be spread readily from plant to plant by way of the pruner, specifically unsterilized steel ones.
She showed me what she has for her house. She uses some nice looking metal snips with thick nylon replaceable blades. (But I didn't see a brand name on them unfortunately)

She said she knows for sure that the steel blades are more likely to harbor bacteria. And even with the nylon blades she uses a watered down alcohol solution to sterilize the blade after cutting on a given plant.

Anyone else ever heard of this, or run in to this problem with palms or other plants?
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most definately.(you should always clean your tools after every use.if you cut w/out cleaning the tools, what ever is on them can be transfered to other plants. infections can come from the the dirt or airborn, or from a plant that is sick and you dont know it ) if it can happen outside i dont see why it couldnt happen inside the house also. if you have tools that are used for inside only, you can run them throught the dishwasher. and the watered down version she told you about i have never used. hydrogen peroxide on the tools after they have been washed i have used. i use dawn dishsoap to clean mine.(antibacterial). this way of washing, was suggested by my favorite master gardener.
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Everything i've read states in bold print that IT IS NOT A HOUSEPLANT. Not to say it couldn't be wintered in the house but it make take a lot of care. Mine, which I bought at Wally world, looks like poop, even in my greenhouse. I think as long as it stays green it'll be fine and take off in spring. You might just let it go dormant till you can stick it back outside. Best of luck to ya.-Nate
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Anyone got any ideas what could be causing the browning and dying?
You say that the top is putting out fronds like crazy, and the middle and bottom fronds are developing brown tips and dying. This is typical of all palms. Sooner or later, the lower leaves drop off. They turn brown first as the plant absorbs what nutrients it can.

Does the plant really look all that horrible? If it's putting out new growth it can't be all that unhappy. Do you keep a lot of palms or is this the only one?

If you're keeping it at a cooler temperature I would cut way back on the fertilizer until spring.

Finally, keeping any plant from a grocery store alive is a plus. These plants are not well-cared for and the store does not care how long they survive after they are sold. I've heard that the average lifespan post-sale is two weeks.
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amen to that. ive gone into walmart and other stores , and you would not believe the trauma that these plants go through. the only place where ive seen the plants really taken care of is the lowes in cookvegas and the one nursery that i go to.
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Everything i've read states in bold print that IT IS NOT A HOUSEPLANT.:
when i looked at some before i bought this one," the tag said made an excellent houseplant." i wish these plant people who put these plants out for the public to buy, would make up my mind for me. maybe i just got lucky, mine has new fronds fixing to open and is real health green, no dead leaves or anything bad. maybe the palm fairy helped me pick this one out. there were about 12 i had to chose from. most looked like they were ready for the compost pile. there goes the clueless in sparta thing again.
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didnt think you would trim / prune palms, unless you planted to close to walk way
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My wife loves these palms and has them all over the house . We got ours at Wal-mart and they were in great shape . I try to buy all my plants from localy owned nurseries but found these on sale there a few years ago and could'nt pass on them .

We have found that an extemely well draining mix consisting mostly of pine bark and perlite along with a pot with 4-5" of packing peanuts in the bottom to be the best way to keep these . We water often ,the majesties will show yellowing and browning of the leaf tips when they dont get enough to drink . the trick is to have a mix that will allow you to water very heavily while not remaining wet for extended periods .
We never fertilize! Only a little tea now and then . I had read early on that majesty palms were very salt sensitive and that one should be able to flush the soil often in container culture to prevent salt s building up . I decided then that artificial fertilizers would exacerbate this build up and that we would only use organics for our potted palms .
They have grown a great deal over the last few years and have been repotted twice .
We did lose one to crown rot (potted in miracle grow) and had another to be attacked by mealy bugs. All of them have had thier crappy stages but have bounced back ,eventually .

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glad to know about the salts. i used miricle- gro one or twice on it, but i make it kind of weak. its just like my whit bird, i havent used the m.g. on it because of the salts, so now that makes two i dont use that on! ill have to find the "tea bags" for the compost teas to use on them i guess. ill have to check out my new home(burgess fall nursery) and see if he has any to sell.oh wait, got a friend who has composted 1 yr old manure. so my den smells like @#$%, for a while, its all good.
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If your tea smells like " @#$%" it needs further aeration.
Don't use smelly tea . Only use that with a sweet dirt smell.
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Everything i've read states in bold print that IT IS NOT A HOUSEPLANT. You might just let it go dormant till you can stick it back outside. Best of luck to ya.-Nate
Well, despite the aforementioned problems I must be doing something right!
It's been in the house 15 months straight, and like I said the fronds are coming out like fireworks!
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oh goodness, that one hurt. im still laughing! teas arent suppossed to smell like @#$%. ha ha. that was good. i ment the 1 yr old manure. there i go not clarifing myself again. my friend uses(should say used) the liquid manure, and she said she smelt like @#$% for a week even after 2 baths. im sorry that was just a funny ha ha. you use the teas for your bird also?
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