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Old 02-09-2008, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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They look great Benny - I have never heard of a clemenule - a special hybrid of some sort?

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yes nice plants...What is clemenule?Clemenville?
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I am not sure yet what it is. Joe Real is the one who gave it to me and became my favorite when I tasted its first fruit. As far as I know Clemenule from Spain is already spread out. It is a type of of mandarin that Spain exports here in the US. You may have eaten it already when you buy some at the store. It is medium size mandarin that is very very sweet and juicy and very easy to peel. Once you started eating it you can not stop.
It's my favorite tangerine and I grafted it to many of my other citrus and some to rootstocks. I probably grafted that about 10 times with my Chandler pommelo.
Also came second is the seedless Kishu mandarin. And that I will plant it in my plat. I have 3 trees of clemenules that are planted on the ground. 2 of those were already planted on my plat but they are still small since I only grafted them on a rootstock less than a year ago.
Or it is a new type of hybrid that has not yet disseminate for public use. Joe Real has an affiliation with Davis University, his alma matter.
I'll email him and ask him.
But I endorse it highly if you can find one.
Also I am looking for a ponkan mandarin. They say this is really really good too.


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Varietal Information
Oranges
Navels

Navel oranges have the distinctive feature of having a small secondary fruit embedded in the apex of the primary fruit. Generally speaking, navels are the earliest maturing of orange varieties, producing seedless fruit of larger size than most others, with deep orange, easily peeled rinds and a sweet and pleasant flavour.

There are several varieties of navel oranges, including the Navelina, Navel Late and Lane Late.
Navelina

Originating in California the Navelina was first named the Smith's Early navel. The crop is harvested from mid-October through to mid-January and over the past decade has increased its share of the Spanish crop, and is now one of their most popular varieties.
Navelate and Lane Late

The Lane Late was first discovered in 1950 in Australia, the name is derived from the surname of the property owner where it was discovered. This orange is significantly later maturing and colours up much more slowly by as much as four to six weeks in some locations.

The Navel Late is similar to the Lane Late, except that it is slightly oval in shape and has a more conspicuous navel. Navel Late and Lane Lates are harvested from early January, with the former ending mid-April at least six weeks earlier than the Lane Late.
Valencia

The ever-popular Valencia is a very juicy orange with an excellent flavour, medium sized and slightly oblong in shape with a moderately thin rind.

The Valencia orange is today the leading variety in many citrus producing countries, and no other variety is more widely grown and on such an extensive scale. Unlike common assumptions, the Valencia orange is not of Spanish origin. Instead the variety was first discovered in the Azores and is almost certainly of old Portuguese origin.

In the early 1860s the variety was sent from the Azores to a nurseryman in England, recognising the good characteristics he than sent the variety to a fellow nurseryman in Long Island, USA. The name derived when a Spanish citrus expert visiting California suggested that the variety be renamed the Valencia Late, as he believed it bore great resemblance to a late maturing orange grown in the Valencia region.

The Valencia's outstanding qualities were soon realised and this variety of orange changed the face of citrus production on a world sale, becoming the leading variety in most of the citrus-producing countries.
Delta Valencia

The Delta Valencia is a seedless Valencia selection. It originates from South Africa, but is also now grown in California and more recently Argentina.
Pigmented Orange

The exact origins of pigmented or "blood" oranges are not completely certain, it was thought they originated in either Malta or Sicily, but recently it has been suggested that they came from China. There are many different pigmented varieties including Moro, Tarocco and Sanguinello. The depth of pigment on both the rind and flesh varies by variety but they all have the same distinctive taste; very tender juicy flesh and a typical rich flavour that has often been described as having a subtle raspberry or cherry taste.
Seville

The Spanish Seville is the most common bitter orange and is used for the production of marmalade. Seville oranges have a thick, rough, uneven rind which can give the fruit a scruffy appearance.
Mandarins
Clemenpons

A variety of Clementine the Clemenpons are a relatively recent variety first discovered in 1968 in Pego, Alicante, Spain. Reaching maturity two to three weeks earlier then the Nules, the Clemenpons are of good size with an excellent flavour.


Clemenules

Harvested from November through to January, the Nules was discovered near the town of the same name in the Casellon Province of Spain. Due to their excellent taste this variety is now the predominate Clementine in Spain, accounting for 65% of their crop. This variety has also become very popular in southern hemisphere countries like South Africa and Chile.
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has this clemenule a shape of pear?
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Here's the picture of a clemenule. I would say it is almost round to oblate.





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Clemenule is a Mandarin (aka tangerine) hybrid. Here's a list of citrus varieties I recommend to people who only have room to grow a few of each type: http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/gui...mmonCitrus.pdf
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ok thanks...In France minneolas have a great success they came form Israel I believe...
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Richard :
I can't download PDF in my computer. It wants me to buy it the cost is too much :$498.00.
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I finally got an answer from Joe Real. He must have gone all weekend.
Here it is:

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
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I am a little off topic here.
I want to know if clemenule from Spain is a new cultivar and is not available to the public or is it the major export of Spain?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Benny,

Clemenules goes by a lot of different names. Among them are Mandarina de Espaņa, Clementina de Nules, Clementine Nules, or Clemenules for short and simply Nules, etc.

It is an old cultivar that dominates the mandarin export market of Spain. It has been in the budwood program for some time but only recently was it planted en masse. About 5 years ago (just guessing here), there were tremendous acreage planted to clemenules in California. That was then followed by tremendous acreage planted to Tango.

So I would say that Clemenule is a recent introduction to California.

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I can't download PDF in my computer. It wants me to buy it the cost is too much :$498.00.
Can you just copy it and download it?
The document is too formatted (tables of data) for simple viewing here. I hope you were able to install Adobe's free Acrobat Reader.
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I downloaded it but it did not work for me. I am still working on it.
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Newly transplanted citrus in my pergola plat:
On the front is a Trovita orange and at the back of it is a Dancy tangerine.
The pstem right on center is a dwarf Brazilian and on the right of it is a California Gold. Both are starting to wake up and sending new spears.
How can you make the CG to pup?

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And I have this santa rosa plum that has a lot of grafts on it.
Notice the tags. They are different kinds of plums and plouts. Not seen on the picture is the canopy where I grafted more than 8 varieties of European plums that they took over the canopy. All of them are beginning to break flowers. Just grafted last year and they were prolific growers. Got them at CRFG (California Rare Fruit Growers) exchange.
On the background are Calamondin Satsuma mandarin and one with fruit is a Washington Navel.
Notice also on the right are newly planted bananas. There are 5 of them not visible.

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This is also a reminder on how not to remove the watersports your plants send out.
You see they become another plant without waiting to fruit for a number of years. Most of my graft to those watersports flowered the same year. And you can graft to any branches one after another.So for one branch you can have 2 or 3 different fruit.
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This is also a reminder on how not to remove the watersports your plants send out.
You see they become another plant without waiting to fruit for a number of years. Most of my graft to those watersports flowered the same year. And you can graft to any branches one after another.So for one branch you can have 2 or 3 different fruit.
On a healthy citrus, if you head back waterspouts by 1/3 they will usually harden off into useful growth, flowering the next season. Otherwise they should be removed at their point of origin. As a kid, this was one of my tasks at my uncle's groves in Mentone CA.
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I did not know that. Thanks Richard.
I also leave the trifoliate or branches that sprouts below the graft line which is usually a trifoliate orange. When it becomes woody I graft something different off of it.
This time I will cut it off a third so it becomes woody in a hurry.
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