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From Stephen Facciola's famous book "Cornucopia II: A Source Book of Edible Plants" (1998 Kampong Publications), p.64
Hylocereus ocamponis - Pitahaya roja. The skin as well as the sweet pulp of the fruit are a wine-red color. Usually eaten out of hand. Also grown as an ornamental hedge plant. Central America to Columbia.From Julia Morton's equally famous publication "Fruits of Warm Climates" (1987 Florida Flair Books), p.348 H. ocamponis [Britt. & Rose] (syn. Cereus ocamponis Salm-Dyck) is a similar cactus [to H. undatus] cultivated in Guatemala, Colombia, Bolivia and Puerto Rico. It has more deeply undulate wings bordered with brown, and longer spines. The fruit is wine-red outside and inside and the pulp is sweet.Facciola also references these two books, of which I have yet to obtain a copy:
I obtained two rootings from K & L Cactus in 2007. The plant I obtained meets the description given by J. Morton and was also given a positive id by Michael Buckner, a local authority on Cacti of Central America. So I have a strong belief I have the correct plant, but the jury is still out until I can get it to fruit and/or I can get verification from a few other cacti experts. It certainly has more robust spines than H. undatus, H. guatemalensis, etc. and a blueish hue on older pods -- which turns out to be a dander-like oxidation. The pods have the appearance of more upright cactus forms, yet they vine, twist and turn like other Hylocereus species. The pods however can be quite long - 6 feet is not unusual. The cross-section diameter is typically 3 inches. I have distributed cuttings to a few collectors including Edgar Valdivia, and more recently Seng Hua of Mira Mesa CA. My collection is putting out buds again and one has bloomed tonight. This is the second year of budding and thus there is a good chance I will get fruit for the 1st time. Here is a short photo summary of the plant over the last couple years: ![]() ![]() (no flash) ![]() (flash) ![]() (view of sepals) ![]()
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Thanks, we are looking at starting a few from seed if we ever find any. Have you tried starting with seed? I guess with the plant that wouldn't be necessary.
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Hylocereus from seed is problematic because most species will cross-breed. So if the collector has multiple Hylocereus then its a gamble what the seeds will be.
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With most things there is a gamble. Can you let us know what is the ease of growing from seed and maybe an idea of how long to fruit. We relize that some may take longer than others but an average would be okay. Will be buying from reputable dealer in Hawaii and feel confident. Thanks, your input is greatly appreciated.
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Here is the fruit of Hylocereus ocamponis. Stephen Facciola got it right when he called the fruit "outstanding". I think the Pitaya Group and the CRFG in general have done themselves a disservice by passing up "the spiny one".
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The picture makes my mouth water. It looks so delicious, hope we can find some fruit in the store. Thanks
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I doubt you'll find H. ocamponis fruit in any U.S. store any time soon. But it is not too late to plan a trip to Central America next year, where in its native range the fruit is ripe in June-July.
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I have one of these courtesy of Richard, and it's rooting right now. Today I just noticed a little bud poking out of one of the nodes...
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Unfortunately, I have a bad camera. I'll try to get a clear pic tomorrow!
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The bud is getting a lot bigger. To me, it looks a lot like a flower bud forming.
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Richard, the bud coming off of the cutting you sent me is a flower bud. Should I remove it? It's still in the process of rooting, and I'm not sure if the cutting would be able to support a flower. Also, is this species self-fertile?
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The flower bud already dropped. But now it's sending out new shoots!
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