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Old 05-24-2014, 10:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been working on expanding my citrus collection, which now contains well over a dozen different types, by recently adding a finger lime - Citrus australasica - to my "grove".
But I'd also like to thank Olafhenny for adding to my collection.
Meet the Quats - Fortunella Japonica Thunberg (Swingle)



I believe 7 of the 10 seeds have germinated
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Groovy....... how about a picture of your grove and what it is your growing?

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Most of my grove is currently potted and spread out but soon the largest ones will be placed permanently in-ground in one location.....once I get the time
You've already met the most "recent" additions but here is a varigated kumquat fruiting - currently located beside my garden greenhouse (the new Quats are located in my "hot" greenhouse, a double-wall poly that get very warm and is great for germinating almost anything)


Most of the plants are starting to flower - there's nothing like the scent of citrus blossons - so I'll try to add more pictures as they set fruit
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Here is my little quat farm:

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I planted 100 seeds, 43 germinated. I gave a few away locally and send 3 seedlings as
far as to the Netherlands. A recipient in Ontario germinated 7 out of 10 seeds planted.



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Now I have 31 left, plenty to experiment with. An older one survived -8^C nicely, but
that is how cold as it got in our neighbour’s un heated sunroom, while we were away.



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A tip for Canadians, which may or may not apply in the States: The 1 litre juice cartons,
cut in half make a nice and efficient nursery, with no wasted space. They have more
soil volume than 4” pots and 20 of them fit neatly into one of these nursery trays.






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not to discourage you, but i don't think citrus grows true from seed.
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First of all the hybrid seed thing DOES NOT PERTAIN TO CITRUS, except for
a very few varieties, Clementine being one. Almost all sweet oranges, true
grapefruit, lemons, limes, pure mandarins (other than King and Clementine),
most Tangelos, hybrid tangerines and tangors (except Temple) do come true
from seed. As you planted a Clementine seed you will not get an exact copy
of the mother tree, but will get a mandarin type of fruit. Your tree can live
indoors during the winter and outside in a container during the spring,
summer and early fall. Whether the tree is a bush or standard (tree)
depends on how you grow the tree. If given the proper care, the tree will
certainly fruit, when it reaches maturity (5- 7 years). I would recommend
that you transplant the seedling as soon as it has developed the first two
true leaves, being careful not to disturb the roots. BE SURE to plant it in a
EXCELLENT draining growing medium. Do not over pot the plant, but start
out in a small container and as the tree grows you can increase the size of
the pot. In the begining water only when the top inch of soil becomes dry.
Water only in the moring so that the top of the soil dries quicky to prevent
deases. You can fertilize when the frist two true leaves are developed. In the
begining, untill the seedling get taller apply fertilizer once a month at 1/2 of
the suggested rate on the label. Take care, and good luck to you and to the
tree. – Millet UNQUOTE

It does not say anything about kumquat, let alone quat. So let's hope.





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Any information provided in this forum soon gets swamped by follow-up posts.

Because the development of this plant takes a significant amount of time, I am
posting a running write-up of my experiments and experience about them here,
where it remains separate and accessible to all:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lungwi...7632258555208/

To get at the text, look at the bar above the pictures,
where it reads...:

Quất
Golestan2
Fortunella Japonica Thunberg (Swingle) - Quất I
understand, that this particular cultivar of...

...and click on the line, that starts with "Fortunella"

Good luck,

Olaf
PS: If somebody has some information to contribute, I will be happy to
incorporate it into those texts. We are creating our own "How to..." here.






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Wish I lived where receiving "home made" citrus plants or even seeds was legal and that I had a spare pot or 2 to dedicate to experiments which, I'm not convinced, won't eventually yield decent tasting fruits.

I'm drooling over pmurphy's "striped" kumquat because I'm a sucker for variegated plants and I absolutely adore kumquats. I have a legal pink lemon which I would love to share; she has 1 little gnarly fruit on her very coddled self just now which makes me very happy. (Fortunately, if that drops, she'll bloom again so I won't miss an entire season.)
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Wish I lived where receiving "home made" citrus plants or even seeds was legal and that I had a spare pot or 2 to dedicate to experiments which, I'm not convinced, won't eventually yield decent tasting fruits.

I'm drooling over pmurphy's "striped" kumquat because I'm a sucker for variegated plants and I absolutely adore kumquats. I have a legal pink lemon which I would love to share; she has 1 little gnarly fruit on her very coddled self just now which makes me very happy. (Fortunately, if that drops, she'll bloom again so I won't miss an entire season.)
I've never had a variegated before so it should be interesting to see if there is any difference in the taste.....I'll let you know

FYI, My collection currently includes:
"quats" - Fortunella Japonica Thunberg
key lime
finger lime
Satsuma mandarin
Satang mandarin
honey tangerine
ugli
tangelo
kumquat fukushu
variegated kumquat
marsh white grapefruit
citron
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Meyer's lemon
Citrus junos
'flying dragon' - Poncirus trifoliate (these last 2 are extremely cold hardy and have flown through the last 4 winters without issue outside in the gardens)

....and a couple of seedlings from either mandarin or clementine (store bought at Christmas that I shoved into a pot, and they sprouted)

I also have some Sudachi ichandrin seeds that I'm currently trying to germinate
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I am afraid the North American regulations are a bit insular and hysteric about
the importation of fruit, vegetables and life plants. In the EU they won't even
ask you, if you have any of that stuff.

The Netherlands have a huge agricultural industry and are as a whole just as
dependent on it as the Napa Valley in California and any of the fruit growing
regions in Florida or elsewhere.

In Canada at least they do permit the import of 250g (9oz) of small seeds and
twice as much of large seeds, such as beans and citrus.

I have written the content (seedlings) right outside of the package I sent to
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the importation of fruit, vegetables and life plants.
Actually FL and a few other states have experienced some devastating imported diseases and insects that have affected their commercial crops so restrictions are tight even up to the Federal level. I am all up for that along with not assisting sending plants that are invasive though trades.

When I was young, it was common to get a box of homegrown citrus from family/friends in FL for Christmas but not now--you have to have your crop inspected before mailing it or risk huge penalties. (Yeah, it makes no sense if you're mailing to MD or NY where they don't grow citrus normally but who knew fire ants and African bees would acclimate so well and what might drop out on a stopover in GA? Safe is good IMO.)

Despite being a very careful and sanitary gardener who even won't give a weak thus suspect annual to a friend/neighbor, I'm okay with the rules because I don't want to see FL, where citrus like to grow, become a wasteland of failed orchards. Okay, even more failed and abandoned orchards...now, if pot was legal here...much different game...

I have always tried to obey rules about sending starts/plants/even seeds to Arizona. Those folks are really, really OCD IMO but that's not my issue. CA is another I've respected. Their rules.
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Olafhenny, it appears you're very ignorant about worldwide importation regulations. Australia is about the most strict. Shipping dormant pomegranate cuttings to Mexico required treatment for mealy bugs even though none exist on the dormant cuttings. Shipping pomegranate cuttings to Italy required typical paperwork but officials still held up cuttings upon arrival for a month. Portugal was slightly worse and took about two months. Buyers in Asia complain about tough regulations there that make it very difficult for them to import dormant fig cuttings.

The regulations exist for very good reasons and are justified.

Kat, Centennial is a nice variegated kumquat that is pretty widely available. I bought a tree here in California at Costco.
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Kat, Centennial is a nice variegated kumquat that is pretty widely available. I bought a tree here in California at Costco.
Stop tempting me! If I had the space, I'd be on a buying spree where it doesn't snow or not really!!

I know where to get what I want for now but am not going there and didn't when I was 20 miles away. As it is, I just ogle plants of all types because I insist on seeing the nursery section of any store. But rarely do I make a purchase unless off the clearance rack since they're a lost cause and I feel their pain knowing they won't come back to life so I take them home for their final gasp and to stick them in the compost.

Traitors!

My $1 gardenia (2 in the pot and I left 6 starts in Jvillee) and a Yellow wing hibiscus (6 plants in that wilted pot that are blooming daily in 6 new pots) now comfily settled just giggle and stare at me then say "we need more friends, Mom. Get your wallet out!" ACK! I'm beyond sick--glad I don't belong to Costco and just traipse around Walmart and Lowes most often. (I broke down at the flea market this past week and spent $5 on 2 more hibiscus (both have 6 plants in the pot!); 1 is a peach bishop and the other a "totally edible one. Not sure where I'll buy cheap "can't live without stuff" like saws and such or tomatoes but I dare not return--ever.)
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Now that the chatter has died down on who has the strictest import laws, I thought I would add a couple more pictures of plants from my "grove".....

finger lime - Citrus australasica....this one is just loving it outside and has add so much new growth since I got it just over a month ago

key lime - Citrus aurantiifolia....starting to put out new flowers and already has fruit ripening, which we've already been harvesting - I find if you just cut it up and drop in some ice water it makes for a very refreshing drink


Owari Satsuma Mardarin - Citrus reticulata subsp. ........last Christmas we were harvesting these and they are soooo good!
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I followed the fascination with fingerlimes for a while but found the fruit to really not be worth the space to grow and got rid of mine. I find it interesting how people can get so interested in fruit just because it is unusual.
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I followed the fascination with fingerlimes for a while but found the fruit to really not be worth the space to grow and got rid of mine. I find it interesting how people can get so interested in fruit just because it is unusual.
I guess the same could be said for bananas, or any other plant for that matter.

I think one of the biggest draws for Canadians to acquire some of these plants is that a lot of them, including bananas, are almost impossible to acquire here. The only bananas you will find readily available are the musa basjoo and ensete ventricosum - even if you ask at nurseries/garden centers, very few people are even aware there are any other types . And expect for a handful of specialty plant dealers (99% of which are located on the other coast), we have no easy or inexpensive way to get them - it cost me $110 to bring in that little finger lime and a second one that I then shipped to someone eagerly waiting in Montreal (and he paid an additional $35 for me to ship it to him).

I don't grow these plants to harvest them; I grow them for enjoyment. The fact that I get fruit, and bragging rights, is a bonus. I enjoy telling people what they can grow here - whether inside or out - under the right conditions. Its also funny to see the reaction on people's faces when I tell them what I have in my gardens and greenhouses......I probably have the only cashew tree in Canada
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Got any spare "nuts"? I'd love to grow one.

I fully understand the desire to push zone limits; gardening without a challenge means you pay a service to mow your grass and never get your hands dirty. Failures are a given when you try plants not suited to your area but impossible successes are beyond sweet. (Still fascinated by your striped kumquat.)
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Try Whatcom Seeds Co. - 5 seed for $4.94, that's where I got mine (only 2 germinated and of those only 1 actually grew, but that survivor is now almost a year old

Whatcom Seed Company - Catalog of Rare, Exotic, Unusual Garden Seeds

....as Olafhenny said, getting seeds into Canada is actually not difficult, you just have to have LOTS of patience.......
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A few pics of varieties of Citrus and other Fruits and Veggies growing here at Lizard Creek Farms:}

Navel Oranges

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Meyers Lemons, Along with Several Varieties of Satsumas and A persimmom
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Kiwi & Cherry Tomatoes sharing some space:}

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OH...Then there's Avocado Hill lol
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Now Apples and Blood & Navel Oranges
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Then there's the different varieties of fig's I'm trying to get going
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All of those plants are why I decided I needed some help so I rent a few homes/ place to these girls:}

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Other crops/plants not pictured are, Sugar Cane, Tobacco, Moringa Tree, Spring Vegetables, Peaches, Plums, Pomegranates and of course BANANAS lol

Oh and the rose garden in the front of my place.

Again to lazy to go and take pictures lol

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