Cherimoya Chirimoya , etc

ewitte · 08-20-2009, 10:26 AM

Any tips on keeping these things alive in Houston? I have some seeds I brought back from Lima my wife loves those things but they are like $4-5 each in the store.

bencelest · 08-20-2009, 10:34 AM

I am still trying to find out the magic but I am losing the battle but I am not giving up. I spread a bunch of seeds last summer and they are about 4 inches tall now. I have one that I bought 2 years ago by mail but I have a lot of trouble growing it mainly because during winter I have no adequate place to keep it warm.
I have a friend that she planted her cherimoya to the ground close to the walls of her house and have the exhaust of her clothes dryer point to it. She said she has many fruits on it and the plant grew very large.

ewitte · 08-20-2009, 10:40 AM

Lol I think my vent is on the roof somewhere. Might keep it decorated for christmas during the winter

bencelest · 08-20-2009, 11:27 AM

My dryer is over 150 feet and I have no way of rerouting it. OR maybe I have? Come to think of it.

Richard · 08-21-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ewitte

Any tips on keeping these things alive in Houston? I have some seeds I brought back from Lima my wife loves those things but they are like $4-5 each in the store.

You are far better off getting one of the subtropical cultivars bred in southern California. And while you are at it, read up on Annonacins.

ewitte · 08-21-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

You are far better off getting one of the subtropical cultivars bred in southern California. And while you are at it, read up on Annonacins.

Would using seeds from fruit grown in California work just as good?

EDIT: I see someone in CA selling like 10 different types on ebay (plants not seeds).

bencelest · 08-21-2009, 10:21 AM

If anyone have luck growing cherimoya in zone 9 please let us know. (Other than using clothes dryer LOL).
I have about 8 plants growing nicely in my yard but they are only about 4 inches tall right now.
I am thinking to put them on pot when the cold wheather comes.

ewitte · 08-21-2009, 10:25 AM

I've seen people growing bananas in zone 3-4 so lmao zone 9 isn't that big of a stretch imo

Richard · 08-21-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ewitte

Would using seeds from fruit grown in California work just as good?

Cultivars are grafted so that the characteristics of the fruit stock (taste, ease of pollination, etc.) are preserved. Also, growing this species of plant from seed in your climate means that you wait a decade for your 1st crop.

Just because someone in California is selling plants does not mean that they are California cultivars.

ewitte · 08-21-2009, 12:02 PM

BTW A lot of what I'm doing is prep for when I get a few acres in ~ 5 years. These are the different types he sells the cheapest is about $40 with shipping (1gal)

Sabor
Pierce
El Bumpo
Bays
Booth
Big Sister
Helmut
Honeyheart
Nata
Orton

Richard · 08-21-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ewitte

BTW A lot of what I'm doing is prep for when I get a few acres in ~ 5 years.

You can get reliable information on varieties from The California Cherimoya Association.

I would also investigate the health effects of Annonacins and their concentrations in various Annona species. Yesterday I learned of another documentated case of Atypical Parkinson's disease in California from eating Cherimoyas on a regular basis.

ewitte · 08-21-2009, 01:29 PM

They say everything is dangerous these days yet these things have been eaten for centuries. Something like a handful of cases would be circumstantial evidence at best.

Looking at the ingredients in 99% of store foods my bet is they also consume at least 50+ harmful chemicals on a regular basis. I often find myself confronted with picking the food thats the lesser evil.

Richard · 08-21-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ewitte

They say everything is dangerous these days yet these things have been eaten for centuries. Something like a handful of cases would be circumstantial evidence at best.

This is not circumstantial. Annonacins in the diet are the leading cause of dementia in central and south America and the #1 health problem in 3 latin american countries. It is an emerging problem in the U.S. Look into it and decide for yourself.

Richard · 11-09-2009, 12:06 AM

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Yesterday I learned of another documentated case of Atypical Parkinson's disease in California from eating Cherimoyas on a regular basis.

I met this fellow at a seed supplier in San Marcos. Someone had mentioned Cherimoya and he began by saying "so you want to end up like me?" He's a patient at Sharps Green Hospital in La Jolla. He is our age but looks more like seventy. He had been a Cherimoya fanatic for about the last 20 years, getting shipments of fruits and Moya juice on a weekly basis from across the border when they were out of season here.

I plan to grow Paw Paw since the Annonacin content is insignificant.

Want Them All · 11-10-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

You can get reliable information on varieties from The California Cherimoya Association.

I would also investigate the health effects of Annonacins and their concentrations in various Annona species. Yesterday I learned of another documentated case of Atypical Parkinson's disease in California from eating Cherimoyas on a regular basis.

Why is a large part of that website in Latin?? I looked under FAQ, all Latin.

Want Them All · 11-10-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ewitte

Any tips on keeping these things alive in Houston? I have some seeds I brought back from Lima my wife loves those things but they are like $4-5 each in the store.

I have an Australian Cherimoya growing in the ground right now. It's about 6' tall, I bought it when it was 5'. Planted it last summer. Seems to be doing well, sprouting new leaves.

harveyc · 11-10-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

I plan to grow Paw Paw since the Annonacin content is insignificant.

Some have considerably higher levels than others. I was growing seedlings so I didn't want to take my chances.

harveyc · 11-10-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Want Them All

Why is a large part of that website in Latin?? I looked under FAQ, all Latin.

I think the site was probably designed in South America as was another cherimoya site. Someone forgot to do the translating or just left some standard pages without writing the appropriate comments. That's my guess, anyways.

supermario · 11-10-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Want Them All

Why is a large part of that website in Latin?? I looked under FAQ, all Latin.

Try googling the word: "Annonacin"

Cherimoya is part of the Annon family. Sugar Apple, Atemoya, Guanabana, Pond Apple, Custard Apple, and many more fruits belong to this family.

harveyc · 11-11-2009, 12:25 AM

Mario, he's referring to the cherimoya grower's association web site containing many pages in Latin (or Spanish?).

08-20-2009, 10:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
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bencelest Banana Nut bencelest's Photo Gallery Location: California Zone 9 Zone: 9 Name: Benny Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,058 BananaBucks : 176,915 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 15 Times Was Thanked 1,414 Times in 652 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Cherimoya Chirimoya , etc I am still trying to find out the magic but I am losing the battle but I am not giving up. I spread a bunch of seeds last summer and they are about 4 inches tall now. I have one that I bought 2 years ago by mail but I have a lot of trouble growing it mainly because during winter I have no adequate place to keep it warm. I have a friend that she planted her cherimoya to the ground close to the walls of her house and have the exhaust of her clothes dryer point to it. She said she has many fruits on it and the plant grew very large. __________________ Banana Nut

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ewitte ewitte's Photo Gallery Location: Houston Zone: 9 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 449 BananaBucks : 46,810 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 194 Times in 107 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Cherimoya Chirimoya , etc Lol I think my vent is on the roof somewhere. Might keep it decorated for christmas during the winter

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bencelest Banana Nut bencelest's Photo Gallery Location: California Zone 9 Zone: 9 Name: Benny Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,058 BananaBucks : 176,915 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 15 Times Was Thanked 1,414 Times in 652 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Cherimoya Chirimoya , etc My dryer is over 150 feet and I have no way of rerouting it. OR maybe I have? Come to think of it. __________________ Banana Nut

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