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Hello all I am currently growing three paw paw trees. Two of the paw paw trees are from Hirt's that I purchased last year (2016) and I also bought a KSU-Atwood paw paw from One Green World last year. This growing season the two paw paws from Hirts are growing quite vigorously and have already put out 3-5 inches of new shoots with leaves (6-7 inches as of today (June 1st 2017)). However, The KSU-Atwood is growing much slower.. the leaves look light green with a discolor on the back, are smaller, and look a little deformed.. not completey deformed but not full or uniform - they look kinda weak almost? And its not growing too much. I am trying to keep the soil moist but i'm wondering if it could be transplant shock still? Last year when I planted all of the paw paws even the ones from Hirt's seemed like they were shocked and establishing themselves because the leaves were small, light green and sort of small looking. However, this faded and the leaves enlarged and they were healthy looking. I'm just wondering whats going on this year with the KSU-Atwood because the other two paw paws next to this tree are flourishing and they are all in full sun (direct sun from 7-8am to 3:30-4pm. The trees are about 2 feet tall each. The KSU-Atwood paw paw may be only 16-18 inches tall. Im gonna try shading it from now on but I was curious if anyone else has any tips or experience with paw paws to know what could be going on? Any other growing tips or experiences I would love to hear. Thank you!

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Hello all I am currently growing threw paw paw trees. Two are from hirt's that i purchased last year and i got a ksu-atwood pawpaw from one green world last year. This growing season the two paw paws from hirts are growinf quite vigorously and already put out 3-5 inches of new shoots with leaves. The ksu atwood however is growing much slower.. the leaves look light green with a discolor on the back, are smaller, look a little deformed almost.. not completey deformed but not full or uniform they look kinda weak almost? And its not growing too much. I am trying to keep the soil moist but i'm wondering if it could be transplant shock still? I'm just wondering whats going on because the other two paw paws next to this tree are flourishing and they are all in full sun. The trees are about 2 feet each. The ksu atwood may be onlt 16-18 inches tall. Im gonna try shading it from now on but i was curiois if anyone else has any tips or experience with paw paws to know what could be going on?
I find it awesome your growing a native Ohio fruit.
Locally in our parks there are a few still around and Ohio has a few annual Paw paw festivals

While I do not grow them I do know there is a wealth of information on the internet and there is even a paw paw club which sells plants.

My guess is your plant is still in transplant shock
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I find it awesome your growing a native Ohio fruit.
Locally in our parks there are a few still around and Ohio has a few annual Paw paw festivals

While I do not grow them I do know there is a wealth of information on the internet and there is even a paw paw club which sells plants.

My guess is your plant is still in transplant shock
Thank you! I am really fascinated with the paw paw tree. The history of this tree is so interesting and the fruit sounds delicious.. and the fact that it is fhe host tree for the zebra swallowtail butterfly.. it's like how could you not wanna grow this tree. Thank you for taking the time to read. I hope you're right about the transplant shock
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I have grown a few dozen Pawpaw trees over the years. Their growth rate varies greatly according to their genetics.

The fruit is one of my favorite on the planet in the custard apple family. They don't fruit very heavily mostly because of lack of appropriate pollinators which are flies.

I have never seen anything like what you're describing going on with discolored leaves. Perhaps if you showed us a picture it might be helpful.

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I have grown a few dozen Pawpaw trees over the years. Their growth rate varies greatly according to their genetics.

The fruit is one of my favorite on the planet in the custard apple family. They don't fruit very heavily mostly because of lack of appropriate pollinators which are flies.

I have never seen anything like what you're describing going on with discolored leaves. Perhaps if you showed us a picture it might be helpful.

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What kind of cultivars of paw paws did you grow ? And how long did rhey take you to flower and fruit ? Any tips for growing them well ? I like hearing other ppls experiences. I'll try posting a pic
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The fruit is one of my favorite on the planet in the custard apple family. They don't fruit very heavily mostly because of lack of appropriate pollinators which are flies.

I have never seen anything like what you're describing going on with discolored leaves. Perhaps if you showed us a picture it might be helpful.

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These are the other two paw paws that are growing vigorously compared to the other one and they are greener with larger leaves. Just for comparison. They are all next to one another too.. spaced about 5-6 feet apart if that. sun from 7-8 am to around 3:30-4pm..



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My paw paw trees had yellow leaves (but not as much) when the temperatures were cooler. Now that its been warmer, the leaves are much greener. There is just a hint of yellow on mine and the plants look to be similar in size to yours.

I read an article that said the small trees don't like direct sun. My trees are shaded by a big maple tree and my house for about 4 hours a day around noontime. You can try a shade cloth on the one plant, perhaps that type is more sensitive to sunlight when its younger....

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I don't think that's a disease problem at all. It looks to me like some kind of chlorosis caused by a nutrient deficiency. I would hit it with some all-purpose fertilizer with trace minerals or some rotted manure or compost and keep it watered well.

I'm not a big fan of maple trees. They have a shallow root system and suck the life out of everything near them. True very young trees need some shade. I wouldn't use a tree to give them that shade though it will stunt their growth if there is competition in anyway from them. Once they're halfway mature, and it looks like yours are in good shape, they do better in full sun.

I have done all mine from seed. I enjoy starting things from seed, and I have had some success and some failure. I am told that they turn out true to form from seed.

If you would like to try seed I would recommend looking up the website of the University of Kentucky. Several years ago they were very kind and send me an envelope full of seed from there select trees in the orchard.

These trees have a habit of suckering and I let them do it. Sometimes a good sucker will produce better than the mother tree

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I don't think that's a disease problem at all. It looks to me like some kind of chlorosis caused by a nutrient deficiency. I would hit it with some all-purpose fertilizer with trace minerals or some rotted manure or compost and keep it watered well.

I'm not a big fan of maple trees. They have a shallow root system and suck the life out of everything near them. True very young trees need some shade. I wouldn't use a tree to give them that shade though it will stunt their growth if there is competition in anyway from them. Once they're halfway mature, and it looks like yours are in good shape, they do better in full sun.

I have done all mine from seed. I enjoy starting things from seed, and I have had some success and some failure. I am told that they turn out true to form from seed.

If you would like to try seed I would recommend looking up the website of the University of Kentucky. Several years ago they were very kind and send me an envelope full of seed from there select trees in the orchard.

These trees have a habit of suckering and I let them do it. Sometimes a good sucker will produce better than the mother tree

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Thank you for answering. I did put jobes organic all purpose fertilizer 2 weeks ago and I put some jobes acid loving plants fertilizer around the tree and scraped into soil.. I'll put more before it rains tomorrow.. I also put worm castings around the trees today and put a shade cloth around the tree.. I have little cages around them already for dogs to stay out but I wrapped a scarf around the cage overhead and secured at the sides so it sits over but allows air like a tunnel almost.. hopefully this helps? I also plan to put more fertilizer down but a better amount this time! Thank you for the tips !! Appreciate it very much. I also bought seeds from peaceful heritage.. got 14 seeds from a ripe susquehanna.. supposed to make superior or at least excellent fruit because the genetics are from susquehanna fruit so I'm very excited.. but I got a ksu Atwood which is the tree that I'm trying to preserve and that one is supposed to have excellent fruit.. I also tried grafting nc-1 and overleese onto my other two paw paw tree's in full sun.. so far the grafts have taken.. very excited !
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My paw paw trees had yellow leaves (but not as much) when the temperatures were cooler. Now that its been warmer, the leaves are much greener. There is just a hint of yellow on mine and the plants look to be similar in size to yours.

I read an article that said the small trees don't like direct sun. My trees are shaded by a big maple tree and my house for about 4 hours a day around noontime. You can try a shade cloth on the one plant, perhaps that type is more sensitive to sunlight when its younger....

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Your trees are beautiful ! Thank you for showing me pictures and helping me! I put a shade clothe over the plant immediately.. hopefully my trees will have nice leaves like your trees someday ! I'll also try adding more fertilizer and organic matter like worm castings and nitrogen rich mulch.. thank you again!
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Thank you!

Hopefully your tree will fix itself once summer arrives. One of my trees was much slower to grow than the others. I have susquehanna, shenandoah, and one seedling tree.

My lot is small so I had to find a compromise location to plant my trees. The maple tree is on my neighbor's side so not much I can do about it.

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Thank you!

Hopefully your tree will fix itself once summer arrives. One of my trees was much slower to grow than the others. I have susquehanna, shenandoah, and one seedling tree.

My lot is small so I had to find a compromise location to plant my trees. The maple tree is on my neighbor's side so not much I can do about it.

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That's awesome those are supposed to be two of the best paw paw cultivars.. how old are your trees? They look like they have a year or two of growth more than mine. I only planted these trees last year.. the two from hirts were like 14-16 inches if that? & the ksu Atwood from onegreenworld was like 12 inches tall.. very small to start but I am patient I figure they will be in shock for a few seasons.. the ksu Atwood seems very slow and more shocked than the other two.. I even tried grafting onto the other two pawpaws with vigorous growth and the grafts look like they have taken.. so the grafts will be overleese and nc-1 if they live.. I'm excited! thanks again for sharing
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Very cool. I've never grafted but I am planning to try it sometime soon. Either with pears or paw paws or figs. When I get some cuttings that are grafting size, perhaps we can talk....

I received the paw paws as dormant plants in the fall of 2015 and kept them inside the first winter. Then, I planted my trees in the ground last spring. They were only about a foot tall when I got them as well. I covered them with burlap and leaves this past winter just for extra insurance. I just started with fertilizer treatment this year.

Looks like we will be in a holding pattern for several years till we get any fruit.

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Very cool. I've never grafted but I am planning to try it sometime soon. Either with pears or paw paws or figs. When I get some cuttings that are grafting size, perhaps we can talk....

I received the paw paws as dormant plants in the fall of 2015 and kept them inside the first winter. Then, I planted my trees in the ground last spring. They were only about a foot tall when I got them as well. I covered them with burlap and leaves this past winter just for extra insurance. I just started with fertilizer treatment this year.

Looks like we will be in a holding pattern for several years till we get any fruit.

Erik G
I got paw paw scion wood from kentucky state university.. go to their facebook page. Their name on facebook is ksu pawpaw.. send them a message asking them what pawpaw cultivar scionwood do you have left. They sent me 2-3 twigs from overleese, nc-1 and sunflower. They had many others and they send them for free! Just a heads up so you know. And sounds good you're a year ahead of me. Looking forward to seeing how the trees grow! Send me updates if u wanna i'd love to hear about anything you learn or notice
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So I just wanted to post a little update for some people who may have experienced this problem at all.. what I did was put worm castings onto the soil and worked that in.. put down more jobes organic natural acid loving fertilizer and then watered well with the entire bottle of maxi crop seaweed diluted in water and saturated the soil around the tree really well.. then I put a shade cloth over the tree.. I removed the cloth while it is rainy and cloudy for now but when the sun comes back out I will put the shade cloth back over the tree.. Here is the progress so far.. the tree seems to be in better shape now than before.. still growing slowly but at least the leaves are turning a darker green where the new ones are emerging.. I guess it was a nutrient deficiency with too much direct sunlight?



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It is a nutrient deficiency. It looks like an iron or magnesium deficiency. Putting the fertilizer for acid loving plants is the right answer. My pawpaw exhibit the same problem if I don't stay on top of the fertizing. The soil is pretty alkaline in the Dallas area.
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It is a nutrient deficiency. It looks like an iron or magnesium deficiency. Putting the fertilizer for acid loving plants is the right answer. My pawpaw exhibit the same problem if I don't stay on top of the fertizing. The soil is pretty alkaline in the Dallas area.
Thank you very much for commenting on this. I still have a lot more fertilizer. It was almost two weeks ago that i put down fertilizer. Do you think it will hurt if i put down more for this tiny tree ? I also purchased seaweed and fish fertilizer. I don't wanna give the plant too much of a good thing but i don't intend to lose this tree. Is it okay to fertilize again two weeks later ?
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I would follow the directions on the fertilizer bag. Generally you can fertilizer on a monthly basis. Seaweed and fish emulsion can be used weekly if diluted to 1/2 strength.
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I would follow the directions on the fertilizer bag. Generally you can fertilizer on a monthly basis. Seaweed and fish emulsion can be used weekly if diluted to 1/2 strength.
Okay i'll do that. I put some some more fertilizer and used the seaweed and fish liquid. I just wanna pump this little guy up as much as I can. Now i'll just keep it well watered and use a shade cloth when it's sunny. Thanks again !
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