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Old 05-01-2009, 03:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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This may be a little off of the main point of this thread, but I'd like to bend everyone's ear on being a little more active with contributing something to the magazine. Please at least consider it. We are currently working on Issue #2 and already it seems like we don't have enough folks working on articles. Beth, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't we use a little more participation? We're all busy, but if we don't get enough help to spread the workload around a bit, the few who are assisting may burn out quickly and I certainly don't want to see that. Other than that, I love all you guys and think this is the best forum ever-even if Tog is a part of it!
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More is most definitely a good thing! C´mon folks - contribute!
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Attempting to steer this topic back on course.......

Tog brings up a point which is typical of other forums with regard to climate.

For example, if you live in a tropical climate, you have no interest or expertise in topcis genally focused on cold hardiness or storage over winter. I suppose that I am lucky, as my growing season last about 9 months. I salute anyone who tries to grow tropical plant in climates colder than mine, but to be honest, I have no input when the topics is when should I put my corms in the basement.

If you live in colder climes, tropical talk is only a dream unless you have a hothouse that is climate controlled.

Beginners sometimes can be intimidated by those who have so much knowledge that when they post they may as well be speaking Ancient Greek. thids is not the fault of the poster, these terms may be required in order to convey the point.

To attract more participation, some forums have redone their sub-forums in order to allow readers (and posters) to put a more focused set of topics.

I try to read much of the topics here, as I continue to try to learn something every day.

There are a large number of members here and I agree with Harvey, too little participation. There are also seasonal factors at work here as well. As summer creeps up in the Northern Hemispere (and I am discounting our tropical friends on this point) we spend more time in the garden, using the evening for more social activities in the good weather, which last only a few months a year.

I do have a minor suggestion. It is minor to me, of course, as I won't do any of the work

Our webmaster and moderators probably should get together and review the subforums that may direct people to specific areas in which may may have an interest. I do not mean to exclude anyone from any topic, of course, but this may help those who are only interested in specific areas to go to those forums and work in those areas. Here are my suggestions that I provide free of charge.

Tropical and temperate bananas
Cold Hardy Bananas
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Other Tropical Plants
Other Plants That Look Tropical
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Thick skinned Forum (for religious, political, and other inflammatory speech)
Meetings and Get Togethers
Recipes (we already have this one!)

I'm sure there are others, but I think a reorganization of the topics might help.
I'll still look at all of the new posts myself, as I am a frequent visitor and less frequent poster.

Now,....go ahead and tear this idea to shreds!!!!!

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I feel that what Ante aka Dalmatiansoap's idea on the European Members is a good idea. This gives them the networking to get the plants they want due to their import restrictions. In this way, we have a sub group who will enjoy the sharing of their growing experience more. If you check on the old threads, these poor fellas are always trying to get in or they are just hanging around hoping to get into a decent discussion. With them building up an European sub group, it does enhance the International image of this board. I have suggested to Ante to talk to Jarred about making it one of the permanent forums so that the European newbies can be directed there from the start instead of digging or trying to dig up the thread. They can call it Banana Discussion - European Section. Too bad I can't have enaf blokes from my side to start a Tropical 'Naner Growers sub group to talk Pisang, Kluay, Saging and what not!

Thick skinned Forum (for religious, political, and other inflammatory speech)
Well, bepah, very good suggestions but I feel maybe we can live without the one on politics/religion which may lead to inflammatory speech!
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Tog, I've been thinking about this since you brought up the point without any result till you answered your and my question. How to get more tropical growers posting. Why don't you at least start a thread(not one of your personal experiences necessarily but a general SEA thread or at least one for growers in the tropics. . Then at least when someone does pop in they can be refereed there and maybe feel more at home and stick around. Maybe I'm wrong but it couldn't hurt and maybe will help. At least you and lorax could qualify. Every ball starts rolling somewhere. I'd just like for this to be a real international org. that includes those in warmer climate who don't have to try as hard to get their crop but maybe have other things like culture and disease,etc questions that wouldn't come up from here. Oh well enough of the novel......
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Tog, I've been thinking about this since you brought up the point without any result till you answered your and my question. How to get more tropical growers posting. Why don't you at least start a thread(not one of your personal experiences necessarily but a general SEA thread or at least one for growers in the tropics. . Then at least when someone does pop in they can be refereed there and maybe feel more at home and stick around. Maybe I'm wrong but it couldn't hurt and maybe will help. At least you and lorax could qualify. Every ball starts rolling somewhere. I'd just like for this to be a real international org. that includes those in warmer climate who don't have to try as hard to get their crop but maybe have other things like culture and disease,etc questions that wouldn't come up from here. Oh well enough of the novel......
Hey Bob, I think that if we divide the 'naner growing regions, it should be;
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3. South America
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If you look at it, each area has its peculiar growing conditions and cultivars. The thing is not me or anybody starting a thread on a region. If it's a regular thread, it will get buried after a while and someone has to be on the watch to dig it out. Did you notice me popping the European thread on the newbie, Patrick, and he immediately went in and registered? What I am saying is that someone has to be on the lookout all the time to do this, and it is not practical. It has to be visually there for the new members to notice.

Maybe we should have a question in the membership application asking where the new member is from and asking him/her to register in their respective region. This is a record which also will gives the members confidence in numbers of their own type/kind.

Then there should be a distinct forum for #2, #3 and #4, where the members can ask questions pertaining to their region. Others can also participate and learn from the discussions of that region's problems or interesting subjects. Well, they can talk some in their own language if they feel more comfy cos as I have noted from one of the active members here on personal comm, he says he would like to join in the threads but his English holds him back.

I would love a forum on my region so that I can do a data base on the cultivars' similarity.
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Not me! It's Orang Puteh! Ok, I have vented and I am cool..now to serious business..

Beth, the 2 things you mentioned are doable, let's keep that in mind for the proposal to Jarred when he's free to come back.

The other thing I have noticed is that being this is a polite, non-vulgar site, the folks here are very polite. So polite to the point that even though they know a couple of folks in a discussion, they won't join in cos they feel they don't know the others. Now, this idea is a little difficult but it can work;
Each of us do have our own circle of friends from the different forums where we are active. We can use PM to alert them to get into a topic. This will increase the participation. On another level is that we should have spotters who think which are the new members we can get to come in.
I am saying this cos, there was more than once I PM Beth to join in an ass kick. I did PM others too for similar reason, and it worked. This takes a bit of work, but if each does a little, it can go a long way.

In all, it should be our responsibility as the regular core members to do it. Besides roping in others, it goes for the regular gang too. PM each other to join in if a particular person is missing. So...in future, if there's even a very tiny opportunity of a Thread Wreck, don't bloody forget me! I just had to say it. Can't let things get too serious cos the room will seem to get darker.
But Tog why would any one need to PM you LOL just kiding! some times i just such a smart ass i cant help it!
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Folks, I belive this kind of "threading" can raise a bit of internationall spirit here. Most posters here doesnt go for the fact that many members here arent from USA and that there is a big bunch of "stupid" problems that is hard for us to solve. Look only at naner growing culture, my luck is that midlleages are fare back behind us now, couse many peoples here will done some wich hunthing U cannot imagine looks on faces whan I told my neighboughs that im planting naners
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But Tog why would any one need to PM you LOL just kiding! some times i just such a smart ass i cant help it!
Paulo, the known Thread Wreckers;
Scot is often absent minded and forgets about me.
Lorax gets so involved, she won't do it.
Bob thinks he's not one, so he won't PM me and get legally linked as one.
Howard, he just like to sit on the side and watch though itching to get in but won't since he's in the good guy category.

Well, I would love to go on and do a little wrecking here but this little is enough to lighten things up on a serious discussion....

So back to business!
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Hey Bob, I think that if we divide the 'naner growing regions, it should be;
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If you look at it, each area has its peculiar growing conditions and cultivars. The thing is not me or anybody starting a thread on a region. If it's a regular thread, it will get buried after a while and someone has to be on the watch to dig it out. Did you notice me popping the European thread on the newbie, Patrick, and he immediately went in and registered? What I am saying is that someone has to be on the lookout all the time to do this, and it is not practical. It has to be visually there for the new members to notice.

Maybe we should have a question in the membership application asking where the new member is from and asking him/her to register in their respective region. This is a record which also will gives the members confidence in numbers of their own type/kind.

Then there should be a distinct forum for #2, #3 and #4, where the members can ask questions pertaining to their region. Others can also participate and learn from the discussions of that region's problems or interesting subjects. Well, they can talk some in their own language if they feel more comfy cos as I have noted from one of the active members here on personal comm, he says he would like to join in the threads but his English holds him back.

I would love a forum on my region so that I can do a data base on the cultivars' similarity.
Tog this is not a criticism but isn't that kinda complicated? if you look at for example Dave's Garden forum one of the largest gardening web sites out there that i know of the way they Handel all of this is they have a news letter sent out two times a month in it there are short 1/2 page essays on varies topics nothing to involved any one can contribute but it is edited and controlled by there board of volunteer moderators i know i Waite every two weeks for it to come and most of my participation in the board is based on the things i see in there news letter I'm not saying that is the way we should go but its something to considerer i find in life that nothing is ever one way its mostly a mix of all sorts of facts

O and i only just found this thread so i would have participated sooner but i must have missed it there was a period of a month or so i took a brake from the org its was getting to be monotonous to me that was during the spider mite faze no offense to any one passionate about spider mites there a B$%^ i know!

Iv kinda skirted around this but it applies to this thread i think one of the reasons i go threw not participating is that some times people are merciless with the need to pin every fact and dot every eye and in doing so they make those of us that are interested but trying to be some what light hearted feel like we are criminals for getting something wrong or making a mist step those are the things that make people not want to hang around you cant change the subject mater this is after all Bananas.org by its vary nature its a limited subject which tends to appeal in the OCD sect which i include my self in so please don't PM me about the OCD comment i think the vast majority of people come here because it sounds interesting but after a wail they realize they have broader interest and just move on could you imagine what the ORG would be like if we had say even 500 people are making regaler comments on even 20% of the threads it would be mass hysteria so really the point is i don't believe that there need to be any thing done at all its a nice board with a pretty smoothly flowing thread count compared to other chat sites
why mess with a good thing and if you want to clear out the registry of non participating members do what the other sites do send out a Email requiring the recipient to click on a link to reconfirm there membership desire
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o an even thoue my last comment was enough to put most of you to sleep or piss you off depending i forgot one last point it doesn't mater were you live if the zone fits then it fits so if i live in zone 9 and some guy in Italy is zone 9 then what I'm going threw is what hes probably going threw or will go threw this tendency to think that just because the vast majority of B.orgers are American is a bunch of bull thats being in a way racist what it dose require is that we have to learn what the difference in regions are and be sensible and apply what fits to your home growing not that all the Europeans or south Americans get to get together in some sort of segregated thread that just ridiculous and non inclusive and speaks to the vary hart of what we are about and that is that we are family and we help each other out i think are motto souled be JUST ASK FOR HELP i know some times theirs a speech problem but you cant salve ever problem some things just have to be
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Pauly , you don't piss anyone off...ever..it's that personality. If you look at the one statement Tog made about someone who wasn't comfortable in English though this makes perfect sense to direct people to a forum more condusive to talking with ones peers. We can all communicate in English well enough and can do it with folks from all over. Still for my own gardening benefit and pleasure it would be nice to "spy" on what the Asians are doing ....I'd just ask Tog, I could spy on the European factor by asking Ante..I'd really like to know what people are doing in Africa and India as well. We just had a woman join from beautiful South Africa and I regret not paying more attention to bananas there. Although the native aloes caught my eye. (Anyone growing A. Polyphylla?)The more the merrier and if we can get non english speaking people to join , hopefully in great numbers it's better for us all. Not to mention the cool pictures we'd be getting. It's win/win for everyone.

TT: you may [b]THINK[/B] I'm a thread wrecker but if you look back it's usually Cause someone's brought up food or drink first and I just can't help it. If you were a little more intuitive when you looked at my pictures posted , there is a faint halo hovering around my head!
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TT: you may [b]THINK[/B] I'm a thread wrecker but if you look back it's usually Cause someone's brought up food or drink first and I just can't help it. If you were a little more intuitive when you looked at my pictures posted , there is a faint halo hovering around my head!
Sorry then, I thought it was some kind of stain on the pix. You know dirty camera lens sort of thing.
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I personally would prefer not to see forums broke out by global regions, etc. because, as Pauly indicated, many of us have similar climates (i.e., I've been chatting with Kalabrian in southern Italy and with Dr. Parmar about the Hill Banana of India).

Paulo, as Bob said, your comments don't contain anything that should upset anybody. If I understand you correctly, your experience with the forums at Dave's Garden with their e-mail newsletter is an endorsement of the idea I started out this thread with. I think it would be worth a try if some volunteers would help write it up (maybe a hot topic or a few from each sub-forum could be covered by someone different?).

There are certainly some posts which can be offensive, though I don't know it's usually been bad enough for someone to withhold commenting, but you may be correct about that. Maybe instead of having a "thanks" button we should have an anonymous rating for each post. If someone is getting some negative ratings, that might be a clue to them to tone it down. Maybe our wizard Jarred could even program the forum to give someone a time-out (30 minute, 4 hour, or whatever suspension) if they get a specified number of negative ratings in a certain period of time. Just a thought (not necessarily a good one, I've just dreamt it up! LOL).

I think our forums run pretty well so I don't know that we need to change anything, but sending out a periodic (monthly, semi-monthly) e-mail out to folks about "hot topics" might bring in greater participation, more ideas, etc. Just more-around fun, okay??!!

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The rating for each post would be an awesome idea Harvey! The feedback could be beneficial for all involved!!
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If they made a "South America" section, I'd be the only active member in it....
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well all good points!
when i said that part about non English speaking i did not think that quite threw and i can see how that would be a deterrent to any one wishing to join but i would like to point out that if you are searching the net for Bananas in a different tung other then English its unlikely that Bananas.org would come up unless you have your browser set up for multi language searches but not many people do or even know how to do that but apparently thats not always the case as we do have people on the org that seem to struggle with English but and heres sorta a repeat of my previous statement not to be Calais just what are we to do to help non English speaking people I'm not sure the segregating of regions would benefit the org more then it would hurt look guy and gals one of the biggest problems in the world today are people thinking both nationally and also separately "mostly because of religion" i cant personally endorse any segregating of any kind it feels counterproductive to the concept of bring people together of like minds for the mutual enjoyment and plain opportunity to exchange thoughts and cultures of varying people i get off on that kind of thing i need it and i want it in my chat groups its one of the biggest parts of why i think we like the INTERNET to begin with don't you all think?
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The rating for each post would be an awesome idea Harvey! The feedback could be beneficial for all involved!!
Rating posts WILL NOT increase the number of people that will participate, which is what I thought was the purpose of this thread. In what way would rating a person's post make them want to continue to post?

People as a rule, do not like or want to be rated (how would you feel if one of your posts were poorly rated, especially if you were a newcomer).

Review your purpose before you make suggestions that will have disastrous results. The law of unintended consequences will rear its ugly head and the forum will have a tremendous setback.....

For me, ease of use, access to information I need or want, and pleasant conversation are what would bring me back. All of the other is just diversion.

This topic seems to have a real problem of staying on purpose.
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Rating posts WILL NOT increase the number of people that will participate, which is what I thought was the purpose of this thread. In what way would rating a person's post make them want to continue to post?

People as a rule, do not like or want to be rated (how would you feel if one of your posts were poorly rated, especially if you were a newcomer).

Review your purpose before you make suggestions that will have disastrous results. The law of unintended consequences will rear its ugly head and the forum will have a tremendous setback.....

For me, ease of use, access to information I need or want, and pleasant conversation are what would bring me back. All of the other is just diversion.

This topic seems to have a real problem of staying on purpose.
John, I suggest you consider your comments for unintended consequences before making them.

As I mentioned in my post, the reasoning why this MIGHT work is because some people are put off by rude comments of others and then just avoid posting. Just perhaps, as I suggested, someone might tone down their comments if they saw they were receiving negative ratings for their rude posts.

I had a career in reviewing activities and cause and effect relationships daily, so I believe there is some merit to this idea.

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Calm. The. Frick. Down. Boys.

All of the suggestions in this thread are valid because they are just that - SUGGESTIONS. Some may have more merit than others in the end, but the point of this thread is to float ideas, not to pick at each other. Such, your nitting and picking is serving no purpose.

This said, I like the idea of sending out a digest of the week's pertinent posts to members, kind of like the IAS does with Aroid-L. I know I sure appreciate it. However, somebody else would have to do it; my hands are full with the Magazine.

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