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Old 07-26-2009, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

I took some pictures today and wanted others experiences with their 'Siam Rubies' when it comes to sun exposure. Since I was able to purchase them at my HD this year for $12.97 apiece, I bought several. Two of mine are in pots on either side of the steps to my pool that get pretty much full sun. I also have one in a pot that is in my screened in porch that gets a couple hours of some sun and that is it. Here are the pics of the two and am amazed how much different they look. (Even the pseudostems are very different in color!!!)

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Would love to hear if anyone else has noticed this and how theirs look!!!
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

This is consistant with mine. Right now my remaining(gave one away) SR looks like the photo on the left. All winter (indoors under artificial and ambient light) they looked like the mid level leaf facing the camera on the right possibly a little green/greyer.
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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

Have you also noticed that there is more green splotches in the winter or in the shade? Mine outside are almost solid red.
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Have you also noticed that there is more green splotches in the winter or in the shade? Mine outside are almost solid red.
Not sure what exactly you are asking, but just looking at the pics shows more green in the one that I grow in the shade. Haven't had them overwinter, so cannot comment about that...
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Wow, that's quite a difference, but I think they're both kinda neat. I'd like to have both.
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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

I've noticed a curious trend, too. The ones getting afternoon sun are more purely reddish. One, however, seems more purplish:




But the two getting morning sun are curiously variegated, one striped & the other splotched:




Someone said that the Ruby Siams are somewhat mutable so that may be what accounts, somehow, for the striping effect. Would appreciate any insights into that .

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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

I love all of the above. Mine has 2 new leaves unfurled since I got it (thanks Bob!!) & they have little speckles of green. I'm sure when it comes inside for winter it will not have so much red if any. I just love my siam ruby!
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Randy min is in about 8hr of sun a day and its dark red just like yours

min get a little sun bleached do to the high intensity of living in the mountains




Randy nice plants i have an answer for your observation about there not being as much green theirs many different lines of SR now do to there high production so different line have different characteristics
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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

Paulo,
I agree with you about the different "lines", but the ones pictured above that are in full sun, started off when I purchased them were similiar to the one I have pictured that gets partial sun... I still believe the amount of sun they get plays a huge role in the amount of red in them.... Just my opinion, for what it is worth... (which usually is not much)
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I agree with you about the different "lines", but the ones pictured above that are in full sun, started off when I purchased them were similiar to the one I have pictured that gets partial sun... I still believe the amount of sun they get plays a huge role in the amount of red in them.... Just my opinion, for what it is worth... (which usually is not much)
yes i agree but i do know if its in the sun but the temps are low it will not get that red i think its the combination of the two plus adequate firt i know my
Maurellii loose there red if they don't get enough firt no mater how much sun they get
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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

Randy, the plant that gets full sun is beautiful, I like the pattern on the shaded one, that would be fantastic if it would hold that pattern but brighten up with full sun exposure (deeper red, brighter green), My Siam Ruby that I got from Sandy was doing great in the basement until about March, Then it just went squish, rotted to the core. New house and different growing conditions, I'll do better this winter. But as always, your plants look fantastic!!
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Default Re: Sun expsoure differences in in 'Siam Ruby'

I've got some in 3 places, all getting different amounts of sunlight. They all look the same. A relatively dense clump is below some large dwarf cavs and some tall ori's in a pecan stump so they're shaded for the entire day, maybe just a little bit of direct sun for a minute or two during the day when it sneaks through the other plants but basically entirely shaded. They are dark red but quite small (way smaller then when I got 'em last year).

I have one that gets about 6 hours of sun and another one that gets maybe a little less, somewhat filtered in the middle of the day. They all look the same and are all the same height, about maybe 2 feet, a little bit higher. They froze back this past winter a bit and have just been incredibly slow in growing.

I nuke 'em with Miracle Gro every 2 or 3 weeks plus gave 'em some 19-5-9 or something like that along with 13-13-13 at one point. Nothing seems to make a difference. They are, however, alive.
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Hmmmm. That must be what is happening to mine. My Maurelli is in full Florida sun, from shortly after sunrise until shortly before sunset, yet it isn't as red as it used to be. It is lovely, with bright green leaves, red petioles, and some red lipstick on the edges, but certainly not as red as it was 3 months ago.

Do you know which component they may be lacking? Do you think it is Nitrogen, Potassium, of one of the minors?
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Hmmmm. That must be what is happening to mine. My Maurelli is in full Florida sun, from shortly after sunrise until shortly before sunset, yet it isn't as red as it used to be. It is lovely, with bright green leaves, red petioles, and some red lipstick on the edges, but certainly not as red as it was 3 months ago.

Do you know which component they may be lacking? Do you think it is Nitrogen, Potassium, of one of the minors?
right befor Scot left this was a hot topic betwean him and my self i dont know what makes them red i know i treated my murellii with some iorn and its red cam back slitly for 2 leafs then whent away again but befor you go out and put iorn on your Murellii i had some yelowing too so i'd hold off i think it mite be potaseam im using k-mag as of last week thats just about the most pirfict food for a Banana and i can tell you it pushed a leaf out in leas then 5 days which for a ventracosum i think is like runing a race they dont grow that fast in the hot summers mainly they do there big groth in the spring all get back to you if i see any red i would think nitigen would incourig Greening not red it could be a trace minral like iorn coper mag zinc which helps induce red flouers in certin plants i would go with a test on that one we sould defantly figure this out it seems to be more of a problim out here in the south west so it could be PH related im going to ask Gabe if any one would know he would
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i have 2 different siams one with green patches and one with the tiny blotches,they both are bright red and are both in the same sun-exsposure.
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This is mine SR and it grows in almost full shade

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iv got that Ensete color related question out to Gabe am waiting for an answer I'm just convinced its a Ph or nutrient related problem

i think this holds true for thouse of you that have your SR in sun but they dont look red i know i feed my SR at 1.5 times the rate of my other Bananas
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Randy, have you tried swapping locations to see if it affects the color? That would be the acid test.
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Randy, have you tried swapping locations to see if it affects the color? That would be the acid test.
I have not mainly because the two out in full sun are in large pots that match and like the symmetry of them on either side of the steps. Guess I could put the one on the porch out in full sun and see what happens, but I like the variegation of the green and red instead of the almost all red. Decisions to be made in the name of science!!! LOL I may go ahead and stick it out in full sun to see what happens...
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